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Aint gonna lie
After reading this thread earlier....I got on Youtube and que’d up some music from Da Baby
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The operative word here is "attitude" and with adults with attitude problems I can see why pepper spray was used. Would they prefer Bullets instead? We continue to have lots of officers killed by people with "Attitude" problems here and with the invasion we have a very real problem on our hands. I don't know to what degree "attitude" was displayed or what "attitude" even means in this case. I will say that if a cop can't handle a heavy load of lip service, he's in the wrong business.
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I would hope the Refugio County Grand Jury, being where it is, is still a Conservative body. The Cop was originally charged with official oppression and injury to a child, so perhaps there were legit grounds for charges.
The official oppression charge has been dismissed by a judge.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
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The operative word here is "attitude" and with adults with attitude problems I can see why pepper spray was used. Would they prefer Bullets instead? We continue to have lots of officers killed by people with "Attitude" problems here and with the invasion we have a very real problem on our hands. I don't know to what degree "attitude" was displayed or what "attitude" even means in this case. I will say that if a cop can't handle a heavy load of lip service, he's in the wrong business. Another astute observation by someone with no sense of right and wrong. You have posted yourself into a hole you can’t dig out of. Maybe you should change you name to “Post hole.”
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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Campfire Kahuna
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Nearly 100% of these incidents are result of people disobeying the police.
Coincidence? You live in a country founded on disobedience. The cops are supposed to be able to work around that without assaulting women and children. Yet disobedience of a LEO’s commands will usually result in a Dumbass getting sprayed or tased. Or arrested for resisting. You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes. Period. It’s really pretty simple. In all of my interactions with LEO’s over the last 45 years of driving, I’ve never been sprayed, tased, or assaulted. You treat folks with courtesy and respect and 99 % of them will treat you the same. I’ve never had an issue. I’ve got my DL, Insurance, and Carry Permit waiting for the Officer, before he approaches my window. And I’m not dialing or talking to someone on my cell phone. Hands on the steering wheel, and no sudden movements or digging around under the seat or in the console. I answer their questions and and follow instructions with a courteous yes sir or no sir. It’s not exactly rocket science. And I’m guessing the baby got sprayed as the perp was resisting or making evasive movements. And like others mentioned, the perps story doesn’t add up. Even if he had a warrant, there was no need to call anybody to pick up the child, if his wife and sister were in the same vehicle. And, what was the warrant for ? Assault, Murder, Rape, drugs, felony fleeing, etc??? I’m guessing the LEO had a little more info available to him then you do. I’d be interested in seeing the LEO’s body cam or Patrol Car video before I rush to judge. And, I personally got stopped by an LEO on the way to town yesterday. Didn’t notice the Inspection Sticker on one of my old Farm Trucks was expired. The LEO was courteous and told me to get it taken care of. I thanked him and continued on my way to town. End of story.
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston Texans, "We say Grace, We Say Mam, If You Don't Like it, We Don't Give a Damn!"
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The operative word here is "attitude" and with adults with attitude problems I can see why pepper spray was used. Would they prefer Bullets instead? We continue to have lots of officers killed by people with "Attitude" problems here and with the invasion we have a very real problem on our hands. I don't know to what degree "attitude" was displayed or what "attitude" even means in this case. I will say that if a cop can't handle a heavy load of lip service, he's in the wrong business. Another astute observation by someone with no sense of right and wrong. You have posted yourself into a hole you can’t dig out of. Maybe you should change you name to “Post hole.” I have no goddam idea what you are talking about.
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The operative word here is "attitude" and with adults with attitude problems I can see why pepper spray was used. Would they prefer Bullets instead? We continue to have lots of officers killed by people with "Attitude" problems here and with the invasion we have a very real problem on our hands. I don't know to what degree "attitude" was displayed or what "attitude" even means in this case. I will say that if a cop can't handle a heavy load of lip service, he's in the wrong business. Paul in your long career in law enforcement how many felony arrests did you make, write up, testify in court? I forgot. thanks
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The operative word here is "attitude" and with adults with attitude problems I can see why pepper spray was used. Would they prefer Bullets instead? We continue to have lots of officers killed by people with "Attitude" problems here and with the invasion we have a very real problem on our hands. I don't know to what degree "attitude" was displayed or what "attitude" even means in this case. I will say that if a cop can't handle a heavy load of lip service, he's in the wrong business. Paul in your long career in law enforcement how many felony arrests did you make, write up, testify in court? I forgot. thanks Stay on topic. What do felony arrests have to do with taking lip service? I took plenty of lip service. I never pepper sprayed anyone for it either. How many times have you pepper sprayed someone for giving you lip service? I sometimes purposefully leave the masses stewing over what I don't say here, but this time I'll save all of you the tears. If by "attitude" the father meant non-compliance, then all bets are off.
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The DA believes it warrants charging the cop. Charging a cop and getting a conviction means overcoming qualified immunity. High bar.
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I have no goddam idea what you are talking about.
The quote of the century.
I was thinking the other day how much I used to hate Bill Clinton. He was freaking George Washington compared to what they are now.
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Why would he need someone to pick up the baby if his wife was with him? Bullshit story. Edk Precisely. His wife can’t call somebody?? She can’t drive??
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So you have no idea what happened because you were not an on the scene witness but believe the msm which contstantly misrepresents stories every day to get hits?? I guess the terms “evidence “. and “ complete investigation” means nothing to a seasoned law enforcement veteran like you. Lol Go grab your defund the police BLM banners and start looting stores in your ghetto to get justice for this poor brown skinned disadvantaged baby with a father who engages in the criminal lifestyle. The operative word here is "attitude" and with adults with attitude problems I can see why pepper spray was used. Would they prefer Bullets instead? We continue to have lots of officers killed by people with "Attitude" problems here and with the invasion we have a very real problem on our hands. I don't know to what degree "attitude" was displayed or what "attitude" even means in this case. I will say that if a cop can't handle a heavy load of lip service, he's in the wrong business. Paul in your long career in law enforcement how many felony arrests did you make, write up, testify in court? I forgot. thanks Stay on topic. What do felony arrests have to do with taking lip service? I took plenty of lip service. I never pepper sprayed anyone for it either. How many times have you pepper sprayed someone for giving you lip service? I sometimes purposefully leave the masses stewing over what I don't say here, but this time I'll save all of you the tears. If by "attitude" the father meant non-compliance, then all bets are off.
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If you have a warrant, you don't dictate when you get out of the car. Maybe in refugio they still stand by "ask, tell, make".
Why would anyone be non-compliant with their kid in the car?
I don't know if the officers actions were reasonable, maybe we'll get to see the videos.
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So you have no idea what happened because you were not an on the scene witness but believe the msm which contstantly misrepresents stories every day to get hits?? I guess the terms “evidence “. and “ complete investigation” means nothing to a seasoned law enforcement veteran like you. Lol Go grab your defund the police BLM banners and start looting stores in your ghetto to get justice for this poor brown skinned disadvantaged baby with a father who engages in the criminal lifestyle. The operative word here is "attitude" and with adults with attitude problems I can see why pepper spray was used. Would they prefer Bullets instead? We continue to have lots of officers killed by people with "Attitude" problems here and with the invasion we have a very real problem on our hands. I don't know to what degree "attitude" was displayed or what "attitude" even means in this case. I will say that if a cop can't handle a heavy load of lip service, he's in the wrong business. Paul in your long career in law enforcement how many felony arrests did you make, write up, testify in court? I forgot. thanks Stay on topic. What do felony arrests have to do with taking lip service? I took plenty of lip service. I never pepper sprayed anyone for it either. How many times have you pepper sprayed someone for giving you lip service? I sometimes purposefully leave the masses stewing over what I don't say here, but this time I'll save all of you the tears. If by "attitude" the father meant non-compliance, then all bets are off. Go back. Read what I typed. It has nothing to do with what you just typed.
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Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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If you have a warrant, you don't dictate when you get out of the car. Maybe in refugio they still stand by "ask, tell, make".
Why would anyone be non-compliant with their kid in the car?
I don't know if the officers actions were reasonable, maybe we'll get to see the videos. Mexicans with kids are important. The govt even pays them to have kids and pays for their hospital bills and gives them free diapers. There. So screw you.
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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He said Lee claimed he was speeding and had a warrant out for his arrest and asked him to get out of the car.
“I said I’m going to use my phone to call for my baby to get picked up,” Paredes said.
I'm not a lawyer, so take.my advice for what it's worth. If you have a warrant and the police catch you...don't tell them you have better things to do.
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So you have no idea what happened because you were not an on the scene witness but believe the msm which contstantly misrepresents stories every day to get hits?? I guess the terms “evidence “. and “ complete investigation” means nothing to a seasoned law enforcement veteran like you. Lol Go grab your defund the police BLM banners and start looting stores in your ghetto to get justice for this poor brown skinned disadvantaged baby with a father who engages in the criminal lifestyle. The operative word here is "attitude" and with adults with attitude problems I can see why pepper spray was used. Would they prefer Bullets instead? We continue to have lots of officers killed by people with "Attitude" problems here and with the invasion we have a very real problem on our hands. I don't know to what degree "attitude" was displayed or what "attitude" even means in this case. I will say that if a cop can't handle a heavy load of lip service, he's in the wrong business. Paul in your long career in law enforcement how many felony arrests did you make, write up, testify in court? I forgot. thanks Stay on topic. What do felony arrests have to do with taking lip service? I took plenty of lip service. I never pepper sprayed anyone for it either. How many times have you pepper sprayed someone for giving you lip service? I sometimes purposefully leave the masses stewing over what I don't say here, but this time I'll save all of you the tears. If by "attitude" the father meant non-compliance, then all bets are off. Go back. Read what I typed. It has nothing to do with what you just typed. Settle down post hole.
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still clueless post hole. you wouldn't last a day as a street cop in an urban environment. Bit different than working on a military post, or ship with a bunch of horny sailors where security is tight and everyone is throughly vetted but keep living your fantasy Dirty Harry The operative word here is "attitude" and with adults with attitude problems I can see why pepper spray was used. Would they prefer Bullets instead? We continue to have lots of officers killed by people with "Attitude" problems here and with the invasion we have a very real problem on our hands. I don't know to what degree "attitude" was displayed or what "attitude" even means in this case. I will say that if a cop can't handle a heavy load of lip service, he's in the wrong business. Paul in your long career in law enforcement how many felony arrests did you make, write up, testify in court? I forgot. thanks Stay on topic. What do felony arrests have to do with taking lip service? I took plenty of lip service. I never pepper sprayed anyone for it either. How many times have you pepper sprayed someone for giving you lip service? I sometimes purposefully leave the masses stewing over what I don't say here, but this time I'll save all of you the tears. If by "attitude" the father meant non-compliance, then all bets are off.
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we live in the post fentanyl Floyd world now Some lawyer or cop help me out here.
If the driver had a deadly weapon and the cop grabbed it while pepper spraying, with the same outcome, would he be charged?
Or would it be understood to have been necessary, and having had actually reduced violence?
If so, was this spraying right or wrong?
"I kind of gave him attitude" Don't know what he did, but I bet that's an understatement.
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