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tankerjockey,
I understand! When I get in a .30-06 mood just can't help myself. The last occasion occurred in November 2020, when the antique round killed a mule deer at 327 yards, with a 175-grain LRX at 2830 fps. The very first test-load, using IMR4451, put three into 1/2", and the eventual average was somewhat better--and that from one of those notoriously inaccurate New Ultra Light Arms rifles. But the NULA isn't one of those "too heavy" .30-06s mentioned elsewhere in this thread, weighing seven pounds exactly with scope, 5 rounds and sling. It's really tough to carry around....
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
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I took a variety of game with a 5.56 NATO and 7.62 x 51 NATO but had to use a helicopter to haul them around. I was a lazy sort back then.
John, you ever fiddle around with a .38-55?
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Yeah, have had a few, including an 1893 Marlin rebored from .30.30, one of the Model 94s USRAC put together maybe 15 years ago, and a Chiappa "Li'l Sharps"--which despite weighing less than 6 pounds shot very well. But never shot any game with them.
The closest I came was with reduced loads using the 220-grain Hornady flat-nose in a .375 H&H Ruger No. 1 at around 2000 fps. Amazingly, it killed stuff, despite not being a .300 WSM!
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.”
John Steinbeck
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Would like to hunt with mine, but it is a Schuetzen style gun. Does very well with 300 gr lead and BP.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Jeeze that was a punish to read. For where I hunt chasing feral pigs off farmers land, the 30-06 would be superior to the 300wsm simply because I can put more in the magazine. Other than that I don’t have a horse in the race.
Experience is something you get, just after you needed it.
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Yeah but you can't do that in a short action, and for real world applications and killing big game, that short action makes all the difference in the world.
It's almost as big a deal as the case taper and the shoulder angle. But not quite.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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It's a wonder anybody killed big game with ANY cartridge prior to the .300 WSM....
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John Steinbeck
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It's a wonder anybody killed big game with ANY cartridge prior to the .300 WSM.... or with long actions
I prefer classic.
Semper Fi
I used to run with the hare. Now I'm envious of the tortoise and I do my own stunts but rarely intentionally
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John, your .35 list looks short. Surely there is a Whelen kill in there somewhere.
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JMHO, except for the nostalgia factor, with modern powders and modern bullets, the 7mm-08 is the best general purpose hunting cartridge.
The 30-06 works just as well as it ever did, but there are better options for any application. The differences are small, though, so anyone who wants to cling to the 30-06 can easily do so with little downside.
Regarding the first post in this thread, the .257 Roberts is a great little round for closer range mule deer, white tails, etc. I'd love to have one in a Kimber Montana as just about the near-perfect light-weight, thin-skinned hunting rig.
Regardless, hunting is about having fun, so people should shoot what they want, even if the decision is driven by nostalgia. Personally, I think a Browning High Wall in 45-70 would be a super cool elk rifle. That hardly means it is the best cartridge, though.
Again, JMHO.
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It's a wonder anybody killed big game with ANY cartridge prior to the .300 WSM.... We killed game in spite of our cartridges. The .300 WSM users kill game because of their cartridge
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Sierra 30-06 with 165 gr slug. 2800 at the muzzle.
Sierra 308 with 165 gr slug. 2680 at the muzzle.
Their data, not mine.
LB - “ The point of the .308 was to achieve the same performance as the .30-06 in a short action, which it did. “
Reading and comprehension is fundamental…..
I won’t even mention an old 30-30 in a ratty Encore…
Sooooo ineffective…..
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Reloader 26 in my 28" PacNor barreled 30-06 is taking it to a whole different level.With modern powders,the 30-06 is better than ever.This cartridge never ceases to amaze me. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/Y0CVHbyV/180-r26.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/26wJMPTh/30-06-200gr-AB-R-26.jpg)
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
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JMHO, including the nostalgia factor, with modern powders and modern bullets, the 7x57 is the best general purpose hunting cartridge. That's better. 
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I don't mind using the 7x57. Chicks dig it.... ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/yHTNHny.jpg)
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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I don't mind using the 7x57. Chicks dig it.... Not a chick... I dig that one.
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I been thinking about necking down a 12 ga brass shell to something in the .50 caliber range. Maybe around 850-900 gr of cast for the bullet. Think it would handle a griz?
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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I don't mind using the 7x57. Chicks dig it....
Everyone digs the 7x57, and yours is very easy to dig.
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It is worse at killing big game than many other cartridges. It requires a heavier rifle, has less range, reloads worse, and is inherently less accurate. And offers nothing in return of any value. Worse as in how? I have used the 30-06 on all of the lower 48 game animals except grizzly and moose. I used it on more Elk than any other cartridge at short range and as far as 450 yards. I have also killed elk with 270, 7MM RM, 300 WM and 338 WM rifles. One of the elk killed with the 338 traveled farther than any shot with the others by far. I believe you are just another dumbass. Just for fun I looked through my hunting notes and came up with the following list of animals taken with various .30-06s, plus Eileen's total. She used to use it quite a bit as her "big" cartridge when hunting stuff that might be a little out of the class of smaller cartridges, or when hunting in potential grizzly country: Pronghorns Whitetails (in Montana etc. Mule deer Elk (have killed more with .30-06 than any other cartridge, including my biggest bull—which didn’t go as as those lung-shot with the .300 Winchester and Weatherby Magnums) Black bear Caribou (my longest shot and biggest bull) Red stag, both in Europe and New Zealand Numerous feral goats and pigs (both are considered among the toughest big game animals of their size) Springbok Bushbuck Kudu (my second-longest shot in Africa, 360 yards up a mountain, which dropped when hit doe to the 180 Nosler Partition breaking the downhill leg and then then spine) Eileen: Bighorn sheep (hunting in grizzly country) Black bear Gemsbok Kudu Red hartebeest Blue wildebeest (These four African animals are considered among the tougher to bring down.) Have also had around a dozen companions use the .30-06 when hunting in various places from Africa to Alaska, and none had any trouble killing a similar list of animals. Wow wish I had gotten into gun writing! I have to change my everything in the lower 48 comment to say I never took a Bighorn sheep. Could not draw a tag. Looking back on it I could have done every bit of the hunting I have been blessed to do with that same 30-06. I am sure the only reason I have not is because of gun writers!
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I been thinking about necking down a 12 ga brass shell to something in the .50 caliber range. Maybe around 850-900 gr of cast for the bullet. Think it would handle a griz? Why neck it down? Go with 12 gauge brass and a rifled barrel.
Dog I rescued in January
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