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Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Llama_Bob #16606729 11/09/21
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,648 Coues Country G GregW Campfire Ranger
GregW Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,648 Coues Country	Originally Posted by Llama_Bob Originally Posted by dennisinaz I've never had a bang- flop with a Barnes bullet. Seems to take them a while to bleed. Lots of bang- flops with Berger. That said, they have their place. Bergers blow up - that's what they do. If you get lucky, they blow up in such a way the animal goes down fast. If you get unlucky, they blow up in such a way you never see the animal again. Is your hunting plan to depend on luck? Latest Berger victim, a 168 VLD from a .280 Ackley a few days ago, with exit showing. Definitely a blow-up... - Greg Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.

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Re: 210 Berger for elk?? szihn #16606740 11/09/21
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,521 Likes: 1 Calgary, AB, Canada Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter
Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,521 Likes: 1 Calgary, AB, Canada	Originally Posted by szihn But for the prescribed use, the Burger is on the bottom of my list of bullets I'd CHOOSE to hunt with. Just because they kill doesn't mean they do it better than other bullets. They do if they cut the wind better and shoot more precisely, and subsequently hit the right spot, while the other bullet does not. Of course that's not often the deciding factor between success and failure, but when it matters, it matters.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? dennisinaz #16606794 11/09/21
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,716 Texas J jeffbird Campfire Regular
jeffbird Campfire Regular J Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 2,716 Texas	…. nevermind, went off on a tangent.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Fotis #16606926 11/09/21
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 8,305 Northern USA P pete53 Campfire Outfitter
pete53 Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 8,305 Northern USA	i have another thought for my 257 Weatherby mag. i am going to try some Hammer 115 gr. 25 caliber bullets , should get some better ballistics too ? And at the same time get a good exit hole on a bigger animal too ? i did just order some Hammer bullets and the price is very reasonable and Hammer had what i needed in stock too. i went with 103 gr. 25 caliber because our rifles are 1-10 twist. Last edited by pete53; 11/09/21. LIFE NRA , we vote Red up here, Norseman

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Fotis #16608141 11/09/21
Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,485 S specneeds Campfire Regular
specneeds Campfire Regular S Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 1,485	I’ve never shot a Berger at an animal. I did use the older Nosler Ballistic Tip 150’s in my 7mm RM to kill a few elk & then hit a decent 5x6 broadside at 250 & had the bullet blow up on the ribs with a palm sized entry wound. Luckily lots of snow & the shrapnel in his lung killed him after 600 yards. Without snow no sure thing recovery.

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Re: 210 Berger for elk?? GregW #16608647 11/10/21
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CGPAUL Campfire Tracker C Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,462	Using that Berger bullet, you must have had a "lucky" one, that didn`t blow up. I`ve had a few lucky ones myself.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? CGPAUL #16608782 11/10/21
Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,648 Coues Country G GregW Campfire Ranger
GregW Campfire Ranger G Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,648 Coues Country	Originally Posted by CGPAUL Using that Berger bullet, you must have had a "lucky" one, that didn`t blow up. I`ve had a few lucky ones myself. That must be it... - Greg Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? GregW #16608815 11/10/21
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SLM Campfire Ranger S Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 18,928 NM	Nice, congrats. Originally Posted by GregW Originally Posted by Llama_Bob Originally Posted by dennisinaz I've never had a bang- flop with a Barnes bullet. Seems to take them a while to bleed. Lots of bang- flops with Berger. That said, they have their place. Bergers blow up - that's what they do. If you get lucky, they blow up in such a way the animal goes down fast. If you get unlucky, they blow up in such a way you never see the animal again. Is your hunting plan to depend on luck? Latest Berger victim, a 168 VLD from a .280 Ackley a few days ago, with exit showing. Definitely a blow-up...

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Fotis #16608913 11/10/21
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pete53 Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 8,305 Northern USA	Berger bullets shot out of a smaller slower cartridge might work just fine or used only at longer ranges ,maybe 300 yards and longer distances ? but out of my rifles at under 200 yards i no longer will use Berger bullets on Minnesota whitetail bucks but may use them out west on mule deer bucks ? LIFE NRA , we vote Red up here, Norseman

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Fotis #16608928 11/10/21
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,986 Havre MT S sherm_61 Campfire Regular
sherm_61 Campfire Regular S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,986 Havre MT	All you Berger naysayers I hope dont buy them so maybe the 6.5 140's and 30 cal 215's will become available again someday.

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Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Jordan Smith #16609895 11/10/21
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Llama_Bob Campfire Regular L Joined: Sep 2016 Posts: 1,313	Originally Posted by Jordan Smith Originally Posted by szihn But for the prescribed use, the Burger is on the bottom of my list of bullets I'd CHOOSE to hunt with. Just because they kill doesn't mean they do it better than other bullets. They do if they cut the wind better and shoot more precisely, and subsequently hit the right spot The problem is they don't. There is no particular advantage to the Berger bullets in terms of BC vs. the Terminal Ascent. The Berger has the worst terminal performance in the business, worse even than the SMK (which is really pushing the bottom of the barrel). The TA has the best. It's an EASY decision.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Llama_Bob #16609914 11/10/21
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sherm_61 Campfire Regular S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,986 Havre MT	Originally Posted by Llama_Bob Originally Posted by Jordan Smith Originally Posted by szihn But for the prescribed use, the Burger is on the bottom of my list of bullets I'd CHOOSE to hunt with. Just because they kill doesn't mean they do it better than other bullets. They do if they cut the wind better and shoot more precisely, and subsequently hit the right spot The problem is they don't. There is no particular advantage to the Berger bullets in terms of BC vs. the Terminal Ascent. The Berger has the worst terminal performance in the business, worse even than the SMK (which is really pushing the bottom of the barrel). The TA has the best. It's an EASY decision. Yep BERGER!!

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Fotis #16609923 11/10/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,191 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,191 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Hopefully the 210’s behave much better than the ones I witnessed. Guess you could be a dummy and drill the tips out. 😂 I know the 6.5 140’s are the shizzle outta 6.5/06 ai Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Fotis #16610137 11/10/21
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30338 Campfire Outfitter Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 11,352 Denver	I've only used Bergers, Scenars and round lead balls the last 12 or so years. There's been no survivors.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Fotis #16613143 11/11/21
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,191 N.. Newaukum, Washington J Judman Campfire Ranger
Judman Campfire Ranger J Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 21,191 N.. Newaukum, Washington	Pards buck from this mornin, 6.5/284, 300 ish yards, behind the on shoulder, through the off shoulder right on through. 140 vld. Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies. Ain’t easy havin pals.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Judman #16613262 11/11/21
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sherm_61 Campfire Regular S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,986 Havre MT	Originally Posted by Judman Pards buck from this mornin, 6.5/284, 300 ish yards, behind the on shoulder, through the off shoulder right on through. 140 vld. Nice! Bergers just kill Jud.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Llama_Bob #16613767 11/11/21
Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,106 Kodiak & AZ D dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter
dennisinaz Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,106 Kodiak & AZ	Originally Posted by Llama_Bob Originally Posted by dennisinaz I've never had a bang- flop with a Barnes bullet. Seems to take them a while to bleed. Lots of bang- flops with Berger. That said, they have their place. Bergers blow up - that's what they do. If you get lucky, they blow up in such a way the animal goes down fast. If you get unlucky, they blow up in such a way you never see the animal again. Is your hunting plan to depend on luck? I've killed way too many animals with them to say they " blow up". They have such a sharp meplat that they typically penetrate well into vitals before "blowing up". I've never seen one blow up on the surface. I have seen it with Amax, Sierra match kings and a few others. If you're hunting timber with Bergers you're using the wrong bullet. Better bullets for saving meat. If you want to swat one down, the Bergers are very reliable at this. Like I've said, I've killed/ seen killed way too many head to think otherwise. NRA Benefactor Member Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? dennisinaz #16616095 11/12/21
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sherm_61 Campfire Regular S Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,986 Havre MT	Originally Posted by dennisinaz Originally Posted by Llama_Bob Originally Posted by dennisinaz I've never had a bang- flop with a Barnes bullet. Seems to take them a while to bleed. Lots of bang- flops with Berger. That said, they have their place. Bergers blow up - that's what they do. If you get lucky, they blow up in such a way the animal goes down fast. If you get unlucky, they blow up in such a way you never see the animal again. Is your hunting plan to depend on luck? I've killed way too many animals with them to say they " blow up". They have such a sharp meplat that they typically penetrate well into vitals before "blowing up". I've never seen one blow up on the surface. I have seen it with Amax, Sierra match kings and a few others. If you're hunting timber with Bergers you're using the wrong bullet. Better bullets for saving meat. If you want to swat one down, the Bergers are very reliable at this. Like I've said, I've killed/ seen killed way too many head to think otherwise. Boom!!! THIS^^^

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? dennisinaz #16616142 11/12/21
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Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,160 Likes: 13 Banana Belt, Montana	Same here, Dennis. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: 210 Berger for elk?? Fotis #16630943 11/17/21
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Burleyboy Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 10,024 Likes: 3 Idaho	I shot a 5x5 bull yesterday just under 400 yards with a Berger 215g hybrid target MV 2800 fps from my 300 wsm. Hit him in the base of the neck just barely in front of the leg. He was on his feet about 5 seconds and then fell down. He was still alive when I got to him so I put another mid neck. I didn't really do much of an autopsy but it worked. I've shot 3 or 4 bucks, two bulls, and an antelope with that combo and this is the first time I needed a finishing shot. Bb

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