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Pity the poor judge. It's job to listen to everything the prosecutor says, migraine or not. We can trun him off.
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The jury didn't see Binger getting his ass chewed out though.
Binger probably knew an ass chewing was coming but felt it was worth it to plant a seed in the jury's mind
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What little I heard (via Clay and Buck), it seemed that the prosecutor was trying to make the case be about Rittenhouse's choice of weapon. I guess if Rittenhouse had used a shotgun, that would have been okay and no charges would have been filed. But since it was an AR, ooooh, that's evil and clearly Rittenhouse is a murderer. I hope the jury sees through that nonsense. And that's where the prosecutor was going with the full metal jacket bullets. He he was just about to say "those full metal jacket bullets are designed to pass through a person and kill the one behind him too, and a third one too, etc. That's what he was getting at. The prosecutor is either clueless, or spinning yarns. 223/5.56 fml frag's at close range from an AR carbine. He figured the jury wouldn't know any better either. Are you saying that an FMJ bullet did that much damage to the arm? I would never have guessed that, but I don't normally shoot animals at arms length either, maybe he was close enough that the muzzle blast took some meat off. Yes, at that range (within feet), a FMJ 5.56 will do that, especially with 55gr. ball M193. They are all cannelured bullets, and they'll bend or break in two at speed, and that close, you'll have muzzle velocity. If you ask around to any Vietnam vets, they can tell you what kind of damage M193 ball ammo can do. (the bullets often bend or break at the cannelure, too, making them a two-projectile load). They also don't penetrate for chit, I've seen them stuck in the sidewall of GI truck tires, while the tire stayed inflated. Yep, Not all FMJ is built equally depending on jacket thickness and other variables. M193 has a fairly thin jacket. That combined with the cannelure and being somewhat long for caliber and or how the bullets weight is distributed and being a high velocity round it likes to tumble and then break apart. 77 grain OTM is technically a target round that due to a thin jacket and long bullet reacts similarly in tissue. Neither mushrooms, they flip end over end and then fragrant/shear apart.
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What little I heard (via Clay and Buck), it seemed that the prosecutor was trying to make the case be about Rittenhouse's choice of weapon. I guess if Rittenhouse had used a shotgun, that would have been okay and no charges would have been filed. But since it was an AR, ooooh, that's evil and clearly Rittenhouse is a murderer. I hope the jury sees through that nonsense. And that's where the prosecutor was going with the full metal jacket bullets. He he was just about to say "those full metal jacket bullets are designed to pass through a person and kill the one behind him too, and a third one too, etc. That's what he was getting at. The prosecutor is either clueless, or spinning yarns. 223/5.56 fml frag's at close range from an AR carbine. He figured the jury wouldn't know any better either. Are you saying that an FMJ bullet did that much damage to the arm? I would never have guessed that, but I don't normally shoot animals at arms length either, maybe he was close enough that the muzzle blast took some meat off. Yes, at that range (within feet), a FMJ 5.56 will do that, especially with 55gr. ball M193. They are all cannelured bullets, and they'll bend or break in two at speed, and that close, you'll have muzzle velocity. If you ask around to any Vietnam vets, they can tell you what kind of damage M193 ball ammo can do. (the bullets often bend or break at the cannelure, too, making them a two-projectile load). They also don't penetrate for chit, I've seen them stuck in the sidewall of GI truck tires, while the tire stayed inflated. Yep, Not all FMJ is built equally depending on jacket thickness and other variables. M193 has a fairly thin jacket. That combined with the cannelure and being somewhat long for caliber and or how the bullets weight is distributed and being a high velocity round it likes to tumble and then break apart. 77 grain OTM is technically a target round that due to a thin jacket and long bullet reacts similarly in tissue. Neither mushrooms, they flip end over end and then fragrant/shear apart. OK. Hope there is a person or two on the jury that knows this stuff. But that's not the issue. Young man did a great job
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What little I heard (via Clay and Buck), it seemed that the prosecutor was trying to make the case be about Rittenhouse's choice of weapon. I guess if Rittenhouse had used a shotgun, that would have been okay and no charges would have been filed. But since it was an AR, ooooh, that's evil and clearly Rittenhouse is a murderer. I hope the jury sees through that nonsense. And that's where the prosecutor was going with the full metal jacket bullets. He he was just about to say "those full metal jacket bullets are designed to pass through a person and kill the one behind him too, and a third one too, etc. That's what he was getting at. The prosecutor is either clueless, or spinning yarns. 223/5.56 fml frag's at close range from an AR carbine. He figured the jury wouldn't know any better either. Are you saying that an FMJ bullet did that much damage to the arm? I would never have guessed that, but I don't normally shoot animals at arms length either, maybe he was close enough that the muzzle blast took some meat off. Yes, at that range (within feet), a FMJ 5.56 will do that, especially with 55gr. ball M193. They are all cannelured bullets, and they'll bend or break in two at speed, and that close, you'll have muzzle velocity. If you ask around to any Vietnam vets, they can tell you what kind of damage M193 ball ammo can do. (the bullets often bend or break at the cannelure, too, making them a two-projectile load). They also don't penetrate for chit, I've seen them stuck in the sidewall of GI truck tires, while the tire stayed inflated. Yep, Not all FMJ is built equally depending on jacket thickness and other variables. M193 has a fairly thin jacket. That combined with the cannelure and being somewhat long for caliber and or how the bullets weight is distributed and being a high velocity round it likes to tumble and then break apart. 77 grain OTM is technically a target round that due to a thin jacket and long bullet reacts similarly in tissue. Neither mushrooms, they flip end over end and then fragrant/shear apart. OK. Hope there is a person or two on the jury that knows this stuff. But that's not the issue. Young man did a great job Yes he did. I didn’t read through to the original post. I was only commenting on how M193 and OTM reacts on impact. Prayers for Rittenhouse.
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Rittenhouse is so cool under pressure - answering honestly, without bullschitting or beating around the bush - 100% believable to anyone watching him. Easy when you are innocent. Yeah innocent folks have never been railroaded.
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Rittenhouse is so cool under pressure - answering honestly, without bullschitting or beating around the bush - 100% believable to anyone watching him. Easy when you are innocent. Yeah innocent folks have never been railroaded. I think folks are misunderstanding me. I meant that when you're innocent, you only need tell the truth clearly, and when telling the truth, it's easy to keep your story straight. Certainly easier than when you're guilty, and giving false testimony.
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That was gut wrenching to watch but you know the Leftists will project and suggest it was a put on show.
I feel for this poor kid. We should all be praying for him as we do all the hero’s who are actually doing something in their communities to help slow the rot.
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That was gut wrenching to watch but you know the Leftists will project and suggest it was a put on show.
I feel for this poor kid. We should all be praying for him as we do all the hero’s who are actually doing something in their communities to help slow the rot. Agreed.
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the prosecution needs to be prosecuted With #4 rebar
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Rittenhouse is so cool under pressure - answering honestly, without bullschitting or beating around the bush - 100% believable to anyone watching him. Easy when you are innocent. Yeah innocent folks have never been railroaded. I think folks are misunderstanding me. I meant that when you're innocent, you only need tell the truth clearly, and when telling the truth, it's easy to keep your story straight. Certainly easier than when you're guilty, and giving false testimony. I understood you. This is an 18 year old kid who is fighting for his life. From what I heard, he did wonderfully. I got 44 years on the kid and I would have been scared to death up there. T'ween that and wanting to come down and slap the snot out of the prosecuting attorney, it would have been a rough day.
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the prosecution needs to be prosecuted With #4 rebar Coated with honey, up the ass, staked to a fire ant hill
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Okay, so what happens if the judge grants the mistrial motion for the defense? A new trial? That doesn’t seem to benefit Kyle. Seems like a directed verdict of acquittal would finish this travesty.
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Okay, so what happens if the judge grants the mistrial motion for the defense? A new trial? That doesn’t seem to benefit Kyle. Seems like a directed verdict of acquittal would finish this travesty. Yep prohibition against double jeopardy would protect him in that instance
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Rittenhouse is so cool under pressure - answering honestly, without bullschitting or beating around the bush - 100% believable to anyone watching him. Easy when you are innocent. Yeah innocent folks have never been railroaded. I think folks are misunderstanding me. I meant that when you're innocent, you only need tell the truth clearly, and when telling the truth, it's easy to keep your story straight. Certainly easier than when you're guilty, and giving false testimony. I understood you. This is an 18 year old kid who is fighting for his life. From what I heard, he did wonderfully. I got 44 years on the kid and I would have been scared to death up there. T'ween that and wanting to come down and slap the snot out of the prosecuting attorney, it would have been a rough day. Same here. I would have been sweating like a son of a gun. He never broke a sweat and was completely composed and articulate through all of the testimony that I watched. The kid was dang cool and composed under pressure with a rifle too. To paraphrase Obama, if I had a son he’d look like Rittenhouse.
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the prosecution needs to be prosecuted With #4 rebar Too light, #6 at minimum.
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Some one should kick Binger in the head and then hit him with a skateboard and see if he responds in his best Monty Python, it is only a scratch. What a douche bag.
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The kid was the only one willing to STAND UP when everyone else just as soon STAND BY!
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Don't think the judge will grant the motion for mistrial but judge almost said it was an issue for appeal, then caught himself.
At a minimum I hope the judge files a complaint and tries to get Binger disbarred. A judge saying "I don't believe you" to an attorney over matters of ethics can have big long term effects on an attorney.
Judge may give an instruction to the jury about the right against self incrimination and indicate to the jury that he had to because Binger asked a inappropriate question.
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the prosecution needs to be prosecuted With #4 rebar Too light, #6 at minimum. You can get more hits in with the #4. Personally for me the question is always wood or aluminum?
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