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A lotta bigwigs here in America made a lotta money. Right, and we haven't even paid the interest on WW1 yet. Much less the debt acquired then and since. People driven by that kind of greed don’t give a schit about the country, or anything or anyone else.
Every day on this side of the ground is a win.
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With the exception of Grenada, we really have not won a war since WW2.
Guess you forgot about Yemen and Iraq. What did we accomplish? Either place? For that matter WW1 and WW2 were lost considering that the end result was communism for half the world. I would almost say we haven't won anything since we pacified the Indian tribes. Well put. We won WW1 and that lead directly to the Nazis. We destroyed the Nazis in WW2 and that lead directly to Communism engulfing half the world. Then we had to lose tens of thousands of troops in Korea and 'Nam to stop Communism, and today Russia and China are as big and strong as ever. The USA cant win for losing since the Indian Wars.
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Hitler would have conquered Europe if he’d left Russia alone and not fugged with the japs
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Another casualty of the Vietnam War was the loss of confidence in our own government. My father was a Pacific Theatre Marine, a combat veteran.
Neither my brother nor I were drafted, but my father’s advice was to go to Canada if we were. This from a guy who was buried per his request in his dress blues.
"...if the gentlemen of Virginia shall send us a dozen of their sons, we would take great care in their education, instruct them in all we know, and make men of them." Canasatego 1744
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The Federal Government and the military lied their asses off to the American people about Vietnam. The politicians and the generals were way more concerned about making bloodstained dollars than they were about the country or the 58,000 Americans killed over there. The same can be said for the military-industrial complex and the rotten to the core South Vietnamese government.
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Its funny the deep state killed Kennedy right after he outed them on television. Kennedy was also against Vietnam. Kennedy also created SEAL #1 for container verification inside Cuban ports during the deep state missile crisis.
Seems there is more to this Kennedy fella than meets the eye.
Always remember, good for thousands of years as it is in today’s climate, “a draw against so powerful an enemy was a victory”
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We won every battle, but lost the war. If the politicians hadn't got involved there would have been a different outcome. If the politicians hadn’t gotten involved we wouldn’t have been there in the first place. Can't argue with that.
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I suspect Vietnam is more capitalist than the USA these days. Long term view? Maybe we won after all. Production isn't the same as freedom. Look at China. Even the hard line Commies in the CCP realized that trade and money buys things that Communism can't. Even so, the people are going through another Mao-like surge of repression after they got a taste of freedom in the 1990s and 2000s. Chairman Xi wants to be the next Chairman Mao, and is purging any free thinking big shots in the party.
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Never have I equated capitalism with freedom.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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I suspect Vietnam is more capitalist than the USA these days. Long term view? Maybe we won after all. Production isn't the same as freedom. Look at China. Even the hard line Commies in the CCP realized that trade and money buys things that Communism can't. Even so, the people are going through another Mao-like surge of repression after they got a taste of freedom in the 1990s and 2000s. Chairman Xi wants to be the next Chairman Mao, and is purging any free thinking big shots in the party. What is this freedom you speak of?
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Oh yeah....we are so fugging free.
Taxed to death and need a permit for everything.
Weeeee dogs!
I am MAGA.
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I suspect Vietnam is more capitalist than the USA these days. Long term view? Maybe we won after all. Production isn't the same as freedom. Look at China. Even the hard line Commies in the CCP realized that trade and money buys things that Communism can't. Even so, the people are going through another Mao-like surge of repression after they got a taste of freedom in the 1990s and 2000s. Chairman Xi wants to be the next Chairman Mao, and is purging any free thinking big shots in the party. NPR had a good story on Xi the other day. I blame Nixon for all this China crap. Xi is taking advantage of everything Nixon started with this "normalized relations" scheidt. And, the way things look, he WILL be the next Mao.
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
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From the article;
In no year of that long war did the North Vietnamese war death toll even come close to equaling the natural birth rate increase of the population. In other words, every year reaching out far into the future there were more babies born in the north than NVA we were killing in the south, so each year a new crop of draftees arrived as replacements for the dead.
This misses the point. Even a totalitarian regime eould have difficulty convincing its population to send every member of each new generation off to die.
The war was won by 1968. Read Lewis Sorley's A Better War.
North Vietnam could not conquer the South as long as Ametican air support wasn't withhrld - the lessons of the Easter Offensive were ignored by a Democratic Congress in 1975.
“Factio democratica delenda est"
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