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I think if you check into it, you'll see that the law was already changed.
We don't permit the application of laws ex post facto in the US. That's another irrelevant factoid. Your statement that I called bullsh*t on wasn't specific to the Arbery case, or any other case. It was a broad generalization not even constrained by the state, and state laws are what applies to a citizen detaining another citizen.
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Citizens are permitted to detain for the police those reasonably believed to be burglars........ Bullsh*t. Actually it's not Bullsh*t - it's Georgia Law. Here citizens have the right to make a citizen's arrest, but Kemp changed the law after this mess. Once again, the media tried the case without any comprehension of the law and the jury got this one wrong. Rules and regulations regarding citizen’s arrest in Georgia can be found under Section 17-4-60 through 61 of the Georgia Criminal Code. Established during the late 1860s, the law authorizes private citizens to make an arrest of others if a crime is committed in their presence or in cases in which they have immediate knowledge that one occurred. MY guess would be the jury wasn't presented with enough evidence they believed that "a crime is committed in their presence or in cases in which they have immediate knowledge that one occurred". Or they just ignored the law as it was written at the time of the event and wanted to go home for Turkey Day.
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Guilty - exactly what they deserved. I hope you never have to protect anything. I've been protecting our place for over 15 years........haven't had an issue yet nor have I went and rounded up 2 neighbors (closest is about 750 yards through the woods) to go follow someone around my neighborhood.........be honest here, look at those 3 so called men.......couch potato, 'hold my beer' type.....do you want them protecting your place? Sad, Sad........
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Bullshitt verdict !!!!!!!!! Absolutely. They did what any good citizen should. Dumbass. We'll let creeps skulk around your place too. Creepy is not threatening to me.
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Everybody knows you can't chase a f ugging guy down and kill him because he was jogging and you suspected he was a burglar. Guys got what they deserved, guilty.
Now the moron that advised them to have all their cases tried together needs their heads examined.
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It's hilarious to watch the political right fall all over themselves in this thread the EXACT same way the left did following the Kenosha verdict. Nothing but emotion and butthurt. Makes it easy to tell the thinkers from the hacks.
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From the stuff I read a while back, they tried to stop him. No shots, no pointing gun at him and were of some distance.
Arbery chose to engage an armed person.
Guess he was tired of jogging. Woulda thought w that much practice he coulda skipped away.
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I've been protecting our place for over 15 years........haven't had an issue yet nor have I went and rounded up 2 neighbors (closest is about 750 yards through the woods) to go follow someone around my neighborhood.........be honest here, look at those 3 so called men.......couch potato, 'hold my beer' type.....do you want them protecting your place? Sad, Sad........ Post a pic. I doubt you're much to look at either. You should probably stay on the couch too. And let men handle security.
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There was no evidence or indication any crime was committed, he had no visible weapon, he was running away and being chased. He posed no threat when running away, and the idiots had no justification to make any "citizen's arrest". They had become the aggressors.
All parties involved were acting like idiots. The outcome was what ruined all their lives. They all had better choices.
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Do think it was a bad call to attenpt to detain the jogger. Even if they saw him steal stuff, or their own stuff.
Political climate what it is.
Groids go for broke over the most petty or stupid of crap.
Their fault, but youll get the blame.
Only good thing is they didnt wound him. Dunno if three going to prison was worth the price of a scumbag thief.
They rolled the dice.
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Do think it was a bad call to attenpt to detain the jogger. Even if they saw him steal stuff, or their own stuff.
Political climate what it is.
Groids go for broke over the most petty or stupid of crap.
Their fault, but youll get the blame.
Only good thing is they didnt wound him. Dunno if three going to prison was worth the price of a scumbag thief.
They rolled the dice. Rolled................ and crapped out.
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Think about police tactics in crowd confrontation situations. The front line isn't generally having firearms deployed. The second or third rank may. It's backup, or overwatch.
The couch potato with the shotgun should have been in overwatch, while the other couch potatoes did the 'interview'.
I have no doubt Arbery was casing the neighborhood, but things got out of control due to stupidity all around.
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There was no evidence or indication any crime was committed, he had no visible weapon, he was running away and being chased. He posed no threat when running away, and the idiots had no justification to make any "citizen's arrest". Trespassing is evidence of a crime.
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Get a grip, they weren’t protecting a darn thing. Shoot first, ask questions later. They are just plain and simple ignorant men. You have a right to your own opinion, but not to your own facts. That's not what happened. One of the men was armed with a shotgun, fully within his rights. The perp grabbed it, and in the struggle for control, the perp was shot. When the perp grabbed his shotgun, what was he supposed to do? Let him have it? Didn't he shoot 3 times ?, that's what I heard on the tape anyway...I'd have thought the guy would let go of the shotgun on the first shot.
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And, did they know for a fact, on that day at that time (not prior occasions ) that the kid didn't have permission to be in that house?
And, in GA, is trespassing a crime that rises to the level of a citizens' arrest?
Asking, because I would if I were on the jury.
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There was no evidence or indication any crime was committed, he had no visible weapon, he was running away and being chased. He posed no threat when running away, and the idiots had no justification to make any "citizen's arrest". They had become the aggressors.
All parties involved were acting like idiots. The outcome was what ruined all their lives. They all had better choices. This. ^^^^
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Trespassing is evidence of a crime.
Then I've got a bunch of hunters to shoot this year, based on your "logic".
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Trespassing is evidence of a crime.
Then I've got a bunch of hunters to shoot this year, based on your "logic". You dumbasses won't give it up, will you? Arbury didn't get shot until he tried to wrestle away a weapon. Are you really that stupid or are you just an [bleep]?
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It does. He was reasonably believed to be the burglar that had been plaguing the neighborhood. Citizens are permitted to detain for the police those reasonably believed to be burglars, and citizens may be armed while doing so. If you are a burglar, you should expect to be confronted by armed citizens. Or at least that is the case in any sane society. Name the state in which the laws apply as you stated. Contrast the Rittenhouse trial with the McMichaels' trial. Arbery had much in common with Rittenhouse. Differences being Rittenhouse's persuers were mostly unarmed, while Arbery was unarmed. Rittenhouse used his weapon in a righteous manner. While McMichael did not. He who brings a gun to the fight usually wins the first encounter. That does not mean they are exempt from prosecution. There are three Geogia resident who I bet wish they had left their guns at home on the day they set out to intimidate a stranger who dared invade their neighborhood.
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Trespassing is evidence of a crime.
Then I've got a bunch of hunters to shoot this year, based on your "logic". You dumbasses won't give it up, will you? Arbury didn't get shot until he tried to wrestle away a weapon. Are you really that stupid or are you just an [bleep]? lol, panties in a wad when you talk in circles and nobody understands your logic. Keep going, your doing a great job making a fool of yourself.
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