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Loomis in hand - don't know those that set it down for an UglyStick instead.


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You can buy a new 308 for less than you would lose on the sale of your 6.5. I saw a Savage advertised for less than $250 at BP and other bargains abound. Keep what youve got, and acquire the .308. Never know when you'll find a mini-gun can of linked ammo in somebody's basement.

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Originally Posted by skeen
Originally Posted by antero

Is there any real downside to going to the 308?


No.



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[quote=Big Stick

The Paper Hat Brigade fixates none of the things that matter and swoon headstamps,which are by and large meaningless. Recoil reduction,benefits everyone. Fending atmospherics,benefits everyone. Conjoining same in Factory Fodder,do not "hurt" the equation. That said projectile is routinely offered in same,ain't a step backwards either. Hint.(grin)
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Probably the most important thing offered in the conversation although I probably rate with the clueless


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Rickety,

Your Retardation,never disappoints...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

A Texan wouldn't be able to discern BC from A/C. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

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Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for trying though.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............





Teal,

I feel your pain.(grin)

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Laughing!................






'sore,

NOBODY gets "good"or "better",by gunning Schit Riggin' and increasing recoil,drop and drift. Hint.(grin)

The 264 Kreedmire operates in Rare Air,with a .697 BC of MODEST "recoil" and superb consistency,which kicks a 308 Win in it's fhuqking face. Hint.

Side by each extrapolations,tend to bear more than a "touch" of credence. Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................


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Ever thought about a 270 ? It’s a step up and flat shooting a little more in the recoil dept but along the same as a 308 and ammo is plentiful

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Originally Posted by antero
I have a 6.5 creedmoor rifle that I've been using for deer and antelop hunting and hoping to make my all-around rifle. I'm hoping to draw an elk tag next year and use the same rifle for that as well. The only other centerfire bolt rifles I own are a 223 and a 243 that has a compact stock and is used by my wife. I like keeping my number of rifles relatively small and am not interested in getting many more.

Ammo availability has been a major issue lately for me, as it has been for most folks. I was fortunate enough to grab two boxes of ammo for deer season this year, which will last me a long time if I never practice with the thing.

Every time I go to Scheels or Cabelas I notice that there is usually a variety of 308 offerings. I know that this ammo shortage will eventually come to an end, but what about the next one, and the one after that? I suppose the answer could be to just hoard all the 6.5 CM ammo I can when it becomes affordable, but it seems like this shortage has shown the priorities of the ammo industry, and that priority is to manufacture lots of 308.

I'm considering selling the 6.5 and picking up a 308. The 308 would give me a little more recoil and a little less BC, but it would give me cheaper ammo and more trigger time.

Is there any real downside to going to the 308?



Antero, the downside is you will be culling out a great round (6.5CM) for another great round (.308 Win.) but in the process you will be missing out on options each has to offer. As for availability, Norma now has their 6.5 Whitetail 140gr. on sale for $32.99 for a box of 20. About six weeks ago it was $29.99 - no tax and no S/H - right from Norma - no middleman. That is about what you might pay for just Norma brass - $1.50 each. It was very accurate in my Kimber Montana and I wasn't afraid of the softpoint bullet design for my NM bull hunt. I've seen too many elk killed with middle of the road cartridges using core and bullets. Brad has also said the same many times throughout these discussions.

So I took the Norma ammo to NM in early Oct.'21 and on the second day still hunted up to two bulls feeding in green grass. I threaded the shot through the aspens and the 5x5 went down in about 40 feet. I posted that on the "elk hunt" page with photos of the bull and recovered bullet. The 140gr had a recovery weight of 105gr..

Back in 2019 I used a 143gr ELD-X to notch my caribou tag in Alaska at a lazered 375 yards. It dropped at the shot. Later that season I took a cow elk with the same bullet at 110 yards on a 0* snowshoe evening hunt. The cow slid way down the hill on the snow making recovered simple with the ranchers truck. That doesn't happen too often!

I've taken four cows with the .308 Win. with no rodeos to report. Plus others with a .270Win, 30-06, 300WM, 300WSM, 325WSM and the 338WM. As others have said, it's not the name on the headstamp but the placement with an adequately constructed bullet.

So you are not giving up anything staying with the 6.5CM for your elk hunt. I'd be vigilant with searching online and in your area. The season is coming to an end so it may free up more availability. Don't forget Fleet Farm if they are in your area. I'd stay in the 140 - 143gr sweet spot.

The money you save from buying a .308 Win (I know - I feel the daggers) could allow you to upgrade boots or a binocular.

Good luck.

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Looks like you should be using Ugly sticks Stick. Gotta admit you live around some fine fishing.


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Originally Posted by antero
I have a 6.5 creedmoor rifle that I've been using for deer and antelop hunting and hoping to make my all-around rifle. I'm hoping to draw an elk tag next year and use the same rifle for that as well. The only other centerfire bolt rifles I own are a 223 and a 243 that has a compact stock and is used by my wife. I like keeping my number of rifles relatively small and am not interested in getting many more.

Ammo availability has been a major issue lately for me, as it has been for most folks. I was fortunate enough to grab two boxes of ammo for deer season this year, which will last me a long time if I never practice with the thing.

Every time I go to Scheels or Cabelas I notice that there is usually a variety of 308 offerings. I know that this ammo shortage will eventually come to an end, but what about the next one, and the one after that? I suppose the answer could be to just hoard all the 6.5 CM ammo I can when it becomes affordable, but it seems like this shortage has shown the priorities of the ammo industry, and that priority is to manufacture lots of 308.

I'm considering selling the 6.5 and picking up a 308. The 308 would give me a little more recoil and a little less BC, but it would give me cheaper ammo and more trigger time.

Is there any real downside to going to the 308?


Hornady Super Performance 150gr. 308 chronographed 2933 fps in my 22" barreled Kimber (it was advertised 3000 fps on the box)....the 30 cal 150 gr. is not as ballistic coeficiant as the thinner 6.5 bullets....but balistic coefficiancy never killed anything.

At normal hunting ranges out to 300 yards BC plays little part in making the trip.
The .308 will handle a heavier 165 gr. bullet pretty good ( I suspect near Creedmore velosity)....if you want lighter bullets with higher ballistic coeficiancy traveling at a slower speed stick with the Creedmore.

Lots of Mule deer and Elk have been killed with a .243 Win. with a 100 grain Nosler Partican.

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I've cleaned up as much as I could but 300+ .308 Win ammo choices vs. 52 6.5 Creedmoor. I couldn't remove anymore non hunting ammunition from the .308, the app wouldn't let me. I got rid of most FMJ and varmint bullets in .308 Win, but didn't exclude anything from the 6.5 CM.


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Originally Posted by taylorce1
I've cleaned up as much as I could but 300+ .308 Win ammo choices vs. 52 6.5 Creedmoor. I couldn't remove anymore non hunting ammunition from the .308, the app wouldn't let me. I got rid of most FMJ and varmint bullets in .308 Win, but didn't exclude anything from the 6.5 CM.



It’s apparently a tough concept for most of the recoil reduced IQ’s here to grasp…


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LMFAO…


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Originally Posted by Big Stick
Gooch',

The Astute will take notes and connect dots by literal default and Droolers will simply keep on droolin'. Hint.

The Paper Hat Brigade fixates none of the things that matter and swoon headstamps,which are by and large meaningless. Recoil reduction,benefits everyone. Fending atmospherics,benefits everyone. Conjoining same in Factory Fodder,do not "hurt" the equation. That said projectile is routinely offered in same,ain't a step backwards either. Hint.(grin)

I get to listen to this CLUELESS Schit all of the fhuqking time and it of course cracks me the fhuqk up! Simply because I shoot it all and then some,it is hardly "daunting" to toss at least one of everything thus far cited in my crummy and let Newbs extrapolate via Spent Primers. NOBODY is gonna say "YEP...just like I thought,I REALLY want a 308 and a 30-'06 now!",or even fhuqking CLOSE. Them realizations add ZERO to the cost and only strengthen the chain. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

NONE of these gals has anything bordering a FIRST Fhuqking Clue and they really like to prove it,by simply doing their best. Which of course,only bolsters the HILARITY. Hint.

I'm at ease,in fueling Crying Karen Melting Snowflake Insecurities and groove on how exceptionally WELL founded they are. Hint.

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Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................


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Ha! North fork for win you wifeless child intimidation master…. Only someone that’s fish the [bleep] outta both would know….. you buying stolen rods at pawn shop? Laffin, raffin, did you really beat your wife? Haha you ain’t no man…


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Originally Posted by Shag
Originally Posted by Big Stick
Gooch',

The Astute will take notes and connect dots by literal default and Droolers will simply keep on droolin'. Hint.

The Paper Hat Brigade fixates none of the things that matter and swoon headstamps,which are by and large meaningless. Recoil reduction,benefits everyone. Fending atmospherics,benefits everyone. Conjoining same in Factory Fodder,do not "hurt" the equation. That said projectile is routinely offered in same,ain't a step backwards either. Hint.(grin)

I get to listen to this CLUELESS Schit all of the fhuqking time and it of course cracks me the fhuqk up! Simply because I shoot it all and then some,it is hardly "daunting" to toss at least one of everything thus far cited in my crummy and let Newbs extrapolate via Spent Primers. NOBODY is gonna say "YEP...just like I thought,I REALLY want a 308 and a 30-'06 now!",or even fhuqking CLOSE. Them realizations add ZERO to the cost and only strengthen the chain. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

NONE of these gals has anything bordering a FIRST Fhuqking Clue and they really like to prove it,by simply doing their best. Which of course,only bolsters the HILARITY. Hint.

I'm at ease,in fueling Crying Karen Melting Snowflake Insecurities and groove on how exceptionally WELL founded they are. Hint.

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Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................


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Ha! North fork for win you wifeless child intimidation master…. Only someone that’s fish the [bleep] outta both would know….. you buying stolen rods at pawn shop? Laffin, raffin, did you really beat your wife? Haha you ain’t no man…


Shagalicious you sexy sumbitch, bacon throat still thinks her 9”’s rods are the shiit!!! Haha

We know “flossing “ don’t take much, maybe she should buy stock in “shakephere “??? Haha 😂


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[bleep], I do love the “bobbers” and the braid you stupid sumbitch!!! Haha 😂😂


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earlyturd,

You make a VERY good point,in that there ain't too many things fhuqking funnier,than a POS 270. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Mebbe say a few words,about the "Flat Shooting" Load you enjoy most,along with rifle particulars(Make/Model,mounting system,glass,etc.),if only because it will be funnier than fhuqk. Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for TRYING though.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................









bigpoop,

Do "tell" about your "heralded" Imaginary 140-143gr "sweet spot". Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

P.S. and by the way,Norma brass sucks heavy ass. Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for TRYING though.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................









Rickety,

At least you can "afford" to read my EVERY word and gawk The Splendid Pixels...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?

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The Texas Version of everything,is simply fhuqking HILARIOUS! Hint.

Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for TRYING though.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................









Kudos to The Paper Hat Brigade,for "flaunting" 300+ Bad Fhuqking Ideas,as being "viable",in regards to ammo selection. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

There's NO stopping you CLUELESS Fhuqktards' inherent Retardation and you gals REALLY "get after it". One could fit your annual "round count's" empties in a TicTac dispenser,less even "filling" the bottom. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

You gals couldn't catch a Cold,let alone Dinner. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!

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Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for TRYING though.

Hint.

Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................


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Originally Posted by goalie
How do you get "look at my 6 Creedmoor" from a guy asking if he should go up in diameter from 6.5 Creedmoor?!?!???





It involves, alcohol, 2 working brain cells, and an overdose of pompous self centered stupidity.... and not showering for 4 to 6 months....

meth helps alot also...


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I haven't looked at factory ammo prices for awhile, but wasn't surprised that they would spike when the anti-gun Democratic Party came into power.

The last factory ammo that I bought was 200 rounds of Winchester/Olin 6.5 CM 125 grain Deer Season XP back in 02/21 for $223.20 including 7% sales tax. IIRC, the ammo case was full of a wide variety of common CF, RF, and shotgun ammo, so buying 10 boxes hardly put a dent in the inventory. The last time that I was in that WM there were less than 10 boxes of ammo in the case in total.

Plan ahead, buy ammo when it is available and fairly priced. I keep a dedicated stock of ammo for each CF rifle, 100 rounds for huting rifles and 300 round for colony varmint rifles. If I didn't reload and I only had a few different rifles to feed, I might keep more ammo for each rifle around and replace it as I used it so as to keep the on-hand inventory at pre-determined levels.

I learned my lesson about factory ammo after the 12/12 CT school shooting. I could seldom find 17HM2 ammo anywhere for the next 5 years, 2013 thru 2018. The only good things about it were that I had a few thousand rounds of 17HM2 ammo on-hand, so I could hunt with my 17HM2s, and lots of people who hadn't kept a supploy of ammo on-hand were selling the rifles chambered in 17HM2 at a discount. I bought my Anschutz 1502 and Remington 504 toward the end of the ammo shortage, in 2018, for around 2/3 of what they would have sold for if ammo had been easily available. If you embrace the mechanized infrantryman's mantra of "better to have and not need thant to need and not have" you'll generally be OK.

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That’s a hard mantra to follow for a lot “hunters”. I told a family member to keep 5 boxes of ammo on hand for every rifle he owns. He didn’t take my advice and was down to 3 rounds of 243 and 7 of 270gay. I found him some online and the price was very good but do you think he ordered more than 2 boxes? Nope.


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I've got a brother with more money than time and won't hesitate to drop the coin to go on a hunt to "improve" on his 300 class elk wall hanger.

When I tell him to go buy 5 boxes of premium ammo and use up 4 of 'em practicing before the hunt his response is "are you kidding? Do you know the cost of that?" confused


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