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ouch on that Loomis. $75 bucks too replace now? Rickety, Your Retardation,never disappoints...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!? A Texan wouldn't be able to discern BC from A/C. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING! Bless your poor poor(literally) heart,for trying though. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!............... Teal, I feel your pain.(grin) Laughing!................ 'sore, NOBODY gets "good"or "better",by gunning Schit Riggin' and increasing recoil,drop and drift. Hint.(grin) The 264 Kreedmire operates in Rare Air,with a .697 BC of MODEST "recoil" and superb consistency,which kicks a 308 Win in it's fhuqking face. Hint. Side by each extrapolations,tend to bear more than a "touch" of credence. Hint. Fhuqking LAUGHING!..................
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That’s a hard mantra to follow for a lot “hunters”. I told a family member to keep 5 boxes of ammo on hand for every rifle he owns. He didn’t take my advice and was down to 3 rounds of 243 and 7 of 270gay. I found him some online and the price was very good but do you think he ordered more than 2 boxes? Nope. Friend of mine messaged me the day before deer season opened, and said a client of his had called and was in need of 30-06 ammo. The guy had only had 3 rounds for his rifle, and wanted to know if anyone had some they'd sell, so he could go hunting. I messaged him back the following reply.........1, I don't own a 30-06, so I don't have any ammo. 2, a local store had a box yesterday, and Rural King had some earlier in the week. 3, anyone who waits until the day before deer season to get their rifle out of the safe and finds they only have 3 shells for it, should just put the rifle back in the safe, as that's pretty pizz poor planning, and it's evident the person is not very serious about hunting. I didn't get a reply, which I didn't really expect to.
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My "ammo supply" for rounds of .224, .257,.284,and .308 diameter will last far after I am gone. I use my 6.5 for target shooting so in reality my ability to put together around 500 rounds doesn't make the cut as a long term supply. Same for the .243 but 600 rounds goes a long way coyote hunting.
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The only thing a 308 brings to the table is cheaper factory ammo. That's about it's only redeeming quality. The 243, 260, and 7-08 are all a better use of that case.
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The only thing a 308 brings to the table is cheaper factory ammo. That's about it's only redeeming quality. The 243, 260, and 7-08 are all a better use of that case. Better how exactly? I own all four and find nothing wrong with the 308. What can the other three do that a 200 grain partition going 2400 fps can't? My favorite of course is the 7-08.
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Pay attention to Brad’s advice. He has actually taken lots of game with the two you are considering.
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The only thing a 308 brings to the table is cheaper factory ammo. That's about it's only redeeming quality. The 243, 260, and 7-08 are all a better use of that case. Better how exactly? I own all four and find nothing wrong with the 308. What can the other three do that a 200 grain partition going 2400 fps can't? My favorite of course is the 7-08. How about provide plenty of deer killing power with a flatter trajectory and much less recoil?
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That’s a hard mantra to follow for a lot “hunters”. I told a family member to keep 5 boxes of ammo on hand for every rifle he owns. He didn’t take my advice and was down to 3 rounds of 243 and 7 of 270gay. I found him some online and the price was very good but do you think he ordered more than 2 boxes? Nope. Another of those "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" things. I have seen it happen time and again. I had a guy show up at the range awhile back to check the zero on his Remington 742 in 30-06 who had 10 rounds of mixed ammo, different brands but the same bullet weight, plus the screws in his base were loose, plus there was a year's worth of dust built up on the objective lens of his scope such that it looked "foggy". I tightened the screws on his base, bore sighted it with a collunmator, and cleaned the lenses on his 40 year old Bushnell Banner 3-9x40. He used the 6 rounds of Remington and Winchester to zero the scope, leaving him with 4 rounds of Federal to hunt with. I didn't have any 150 grain 30-06 factory ammo, just 165 and 180 grain, so I couldn't help him. I have very little patience or sympathy for anyone who doesn't plan ahead at least a little. If you actively fail to plan, you are passively planning to fail, right? Make a list, check it twice, and check it more than a day before openning day of the season.
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That’s a hard mantra to follow for a lot “hunters”. I told a family member to keep 5 boxes of ammo on hand for every rifle he owns. He didn’t take my advice and was down to 3 rounds of 243 and 7 of 270gay. I found him some online and the price was very good but do you think he ordered more than 2 boxes? Nope. Another of those "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" things. I have seen it happen time and again. I had a guy show up at the range awhile back to check the zero on his Remington 742 in 30-06 who had 10 rounds of mixed ammo, different brands but the same bullet weight, plus the screws in his base were loose, plus there was a year's worth of dust built up on the objective lens of his scope such that it looked "foggy". I tightened the screws on his base, bore sighted it with a collunmator, and cleaned the lenses on his 40 year old Bushnell Banner 3-9x40. He used the 6 rounds of Remington and Winchester to zero the scope, leaving him with 4 rounds of Federal to hunt with. I didn't have any 150 grain 30-06 factory ammo, just 165 and 180 grain, so I couldn't help him. I have very little patience or sympathy for anyone who doesn't plan ahead at least a little. If you actively fail to plan, you are passively planning to fail, right? Make a list, check it twice, and check it more than a day before openning day of the season. [u][/u] Right! Well said.
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Shooting SA .30 caliber 110-200 grain bullets from 3,200 fps-2,450 fps opens up a hell of a lot of versatile use from varmints to moose. Not gonna go hungry toting a 308 WCF, just know your game and pick your load/bullet. From 20lbs game to 1,200lbs game there’s a combo that works. Also being a proven exceptionally accurate cartridge throughout its history doesn’t hurt a thing either. It’s a true one gunner for most anything you can hunt.
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I have a 6.5 creedmoor rifle that I've been using for deer and antelop hunting and hoping to make my all-around rifle. I'm hoping to draw an elk tag next year and use the same rifle for that as well. The only other centerfire bolt rifles I own are a 223 and a 243 that has a compact stock and is used by my wife. I like keeping my number of rifles relatively small and am not interested in getting many more.
Ammo availability has been a major issue lately for me, as it has been for most folks. I was fortunate enough to grab two boxes of ammo for deer season this year, which will last me a long time if I never practice with the thing.
Every time I go to Scheels or Cabelas I notice that there is usually a variety of 308 offerings. I know that this ammo shortage will eventually come to an end, but what about the next one, and the one after that? I suppose the answer could be to just hoard all the 6.5 CM ammo I can when it becomes affordable, but it seems like this shortage has shown the priorities of the ammo industry, and that priority is to manufacture lots of 308.
I'm considering selling the 6.5 and picking up a 308. The 308 would give me a little more recoil and a little less BC, but it would give me cheaper ammo and more trigger time.
Is there any real downside to going to the 308? I never met anyone who dropped the .308. Its fan base is loyal.
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This thread. Holy moly.
1. Keep the 6.5 it’s pretty badass 2. Get the additional .308 - it’s badass too but a slightly different era of badass & developed for different reasons. 3. Always keep 3-5 boxes of ammo on hand no matter factory or reloads - don’t ever run out. Do you let your car run out of gas? 4. Don’t get wadded up on ballistics. Are you a hunter or target shooter - define this & set up accordingly. 5. Indeed, headstamps don’t matter but having a .264 & .308 bullet launcher isn’t a bad idea. 6. Do what you want cuz why wouldn’t you? 7. Once you have ammo - worry WAY more about putting a slug where it needs to go. 8. Practice and don’t ever stop. Ever. You owe it to the animal & yourself. 9. Start reloading. Even a basic simple setup. It’s good for the mind & wallet. 10. Be happy & prosper.
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This thread. Holy moly.
1. Keep the 6.5 it’s pretty badass 2. Get the additional .308 - it’s badass too but a slightly different era of badass & developed for different reasons. 3. Always keep 3-5 boxes of ammo on hand no matter factory or reloads - don’t ever run out. Do you let your car run out of gas? 4. Don’t get wadded up on ballistics. Are you a hunter or target shooter - define this & set up accordingly. 5. Indeed, headstamps don’t matter but having a .264 & .308 bullet launcher isn’t a bad idea. 6. Do what you want cuz why wouldn’t you? 7. Once you have ammo - worry WAY more about putting a slug where it needs to go. 8. Practice and don’t ever stop. Ever. You owe it to the animal & yourself. 9. Start reloading. Even a basic simple setup. It’s good for the mind & wallet. 10. Be happy & prosper.
Haha Way to ruin a perfectly good, insult tossing, name calling, off track rabbit hole diving thread! (Hint)(laughing)
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The only thing a 308 brings to the table is cheaper factory ammo. That's about it's only redeeming quality. The 243, 260, and 7-08 are all a better use of that case. Better how exactly? I own all four and find nothing wrong with the 308. What can the other three do that a 200 grain partition going 2400 fps can't? My favorite of course is the 7-08. Faster velocity coupled with higher b.c. bullets, and less recoil. 2400 fps is a dog. If you're going to shoot a 200gr bullet, jump up to a 300 mag.
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I wouldn’t be afraid to hunt elk with a 6.5 Creed, at least, if my alternate was a .308. Both pretty similar.
But there’s different degrees of hunting elk. On some hunts, I wouldn’t want either cartridge.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Is there any real downside to going to the 308?
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Upon further reflection I suggest that you stay with the Creed…..the less people that convert to the .308 (and .30cal in general) the cheaper and more available the ammunition and components will be available. I’m set for a couple lifetimes but I still add in and update my stores. 😁
There’s not much to not like about a 130TTSX at 3200 for most hunting purposes. Slippery and sexy only matters at long range….my longest kill on a cow elk was 527 with the terribly unsexy and ballistically inferior .338wm and a 225gr TBBC at 2650 from my 20” rifle. I don’t need a corvette when I want a truck.
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Is there any real downside to going to the 308?
I never met anyone who dropped the .308. Its fan base is loyal. A loyal fan of the 308 and 155 Scenar's but learned there was no downside to the 6.5X47 and 139 Scenar's, less powder, less recoil, less drop, less drift, better fit in a 2.8 mag box. The Screechmoor is more of the same, personally I prefer the 6 and 22 with 108's and 88's and will scoop up a 6.5 FC when the price is right. If I only needed two boxes of ammo per year, no fk'n way would I trip a 6.5 for a 308.
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