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Damn its hard enough to just inherit money and not feel bad.

IIRC Kip Kinkel (Thurston HS shooter, 1998) got a gun from his dad for his birthday or some such. Mom and dad knew the kid was disturbed and thought actually firing a gun would dispel the fantasy of guns.

Surprise, he used it to kill them both, then used it at school.

You can’t fix stupid but you can kill stupid.

Yep. Stupid ass coddling of Psycho kids. Same for the kid that shot up Sandy Hook with his Mom’s AR.

Surprise this Psycho kid didn’t do the same.
He’d have done us a favor if he’d killed his stupid ass parents then his self too.

A lot of it comes down to piss poor parents.
Give the kids anything they want, let them do whatever they want, tell them their “special”. Participation Trophies for everyone.
Use video games for a baby sitter, don’t bother teaching them there are consequences for their actions, or there’s a difference between right and wrong, no social skills, manners, or morals or values. No Church, No Religion, I could go on and on. But it all boils down to piss poor parenting, and no parent skills whatsoever.
Most parents nowadays like them never read to their kids or were interested in teaching them any morals, values, life skills, manners, etc. Their either to lazy or just don’t give a schitt.

The parents in this case should get the same punishment that their kid gets.
If I was in charge, they’d all be takin out behind the barn and put down like a sick cow.

Parenting in general nowadays is a joke. Thank goodness their are still some good parents out there but it's becoming rare to find.

We pick up my daughter's ex hockey teammate all the time to go offroading at silver lake all the time. First place we go is McDonald's or Denny's or somewhere cuz she doesn't get fed. She's now into goth, horror flicks and social media. She's 10. Even my daughter (who's 11) mentions it .

The parents of this murderer, the more I read about how they handled him before and directly after the shooting, need to go down. Along with the school admins.

As a society, we are failing our next generation.

Oxford Highs version of the turn of events

Dear Wildcat Nation,

We would like to express our continued grief and anguish at the tragic events of the past week. The shooting at Oxford High School has tested the resolve of our students, families and staff like never before.

Our Wildcat community has been shaken to its core, and our hearts are with the families impacted bythis unthinkable tragedy and those still recovering from their injuries.
Please keep the victims and families in your thoughts and prayers.When this unthinkable tragedy unfolded on the afternoon of Nov. 30, our staff and students acted swiftly and heroically, which undoubtedly prevented additional deaths and additional injuries by implementing our District’s detailed emergency protocols and procedures.

We cannot thank ourstudents and staff enough for their quick and decisive actions and their bravery.

We are also immensely thankful for the first responders, who responded quickly and literally ran into harm’s way to prevent even more lives from being lost.
As many of you know, the first shots were fired during passing time between classes when hundreds of students were in the hallway transitioning from one classroom to the other.

Before the shooter was able to walk a short distance to enter the main hallway, students and staff had already entered classrooms, locked doors, erected makeshift barricades and locked down or fled according to their training. The suspect was not able to gain access to a single classroom.We have asked an independent security consultant to review all district safety practices and procedures.

An initial review including review of video taped evidence show staff and students’response to the shooter was efficient, exemplary and definitely prevented further deaths and injuries.In response to family concerns, we have also begun the process of reviewing attendance records priorto this event as well as collecting and reviewing any and all communications that the district may havereceived. At this time, we agree with the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office assessment that previous incidents, including those addressed in the Nov. 12 communication to families, are unrelated to the events of Nov. 30.

Following yesterday’s press conference by the Oakland County Prosecutor, many of our parents have understandably been asking for the school’s version of events leading up to the shooting. It’s critically important to the victims, our staff and our entire community that a full and transparent accounting bemade.
To that end, I’ve asked for a third-party investigation be conducted so we leave no stone unturned, including any and all interaction the student had with staff and students. Because that may take time, we wanted to provide some additional specific information about the events thattranspired.

On Nov. 29, the suspect was discovered by a teacher to be viewing images of bullets on his cell phone during class. The suspect met with a counselor and another staff member and indicated he and his mother recently went to the shooting range and that shooting sports are a family hobby. Consistent with our school policies and procedures, the school attempted to make contact with the student’s mother to discuss the incident but did not initially hear back.

The next day, his parents confirmed his account. On the morning of Nov. 30, a teacher observed concerning drawings and written statements that have been detailed in media reports, which the teacher reported to school counselors and the Dean ofstudents.

The student was immediately removed from the classroom and brought to the guidance counselor’s office where he claimed the drawing was part of a video game he was designing and informed counselors that he planned to pursue video game design as a career.

The student’s parents were also called in.
Because it was difficult to reach the parents, the student remained in the office for an hour and a half while counselors continued to observe, analyze and speak with the student.

While waiting for his parents to arrive, the student verbalized his concern he would be missing homework assignments and requested his science homework, which he then worked on while in the office.

At no time did counselors believe the student might harm others based on his behavior, responses and demeanor, which appeared calm. In addition, despite media reports, whether or not the gun was in his backpack has not been confirmed by law enforcement to our knowledge nor by our investigation at this time.

While both of his parents were present, counselors asked specific probing questions regarding the potential for self-harm or harm to others. His answers, which were affirmed by his parents during the interview, led counselors to again conclude he did not intend on committing either self-harm or harm to others.

The student’s parents never advised the school district that he had direct access to a firearm or that they had recently purchased a firearm for him. Counseling was recommended for him, and his parents were notified that they had 48 hours to seek counseling for their child or the school would contact Child Protective Services.

When the parents were asked to take their son home for the day, they flatly refused and left without their son, apparently to return to work.

Given the fact that the child had no prior disciplinary infractions, the decision was made he would be returned to the classroom rather than sent home to an empty house.

These incidents remained at the guidance counselor level and were never elevated to the principal or assistant principal’s office.

While we understand this decision has caused anger, confusion and prompted understandable questioning,the counselors made a judgment based on their professional training and clinical experience and did not have all the facts we now know. Our counselors are deeply committed long standing school members who have dedicated their lives to supporting students and addressing student mental healthand behavioral issues.

.Again, I have personally asked for a third-party review of all the events of the past week because ourcommunity and our families deserve a full, transparent accounting of what occurred.

We also plan to make regular updates to our families and community. Trained mental health professionals and grief counselors with experience in coping with school tragedies are available for anyone who needs support at this difficult moment.

Information about counseling is available on the district’s website. We have been asked by some parents regarding our plans for continuing our children’s learning and education in the wake of this tragedy. We have already begun to discuss the appropriate path and timeline with trained grief counselors, safety experts, law enforcement, our school employees and our families on the best way to help our community grieve, process, be together, and continue their education.

Thank you again for your outpouring of love and support for our Wildcat families during this incredibly difficult time. The unparalleled support from our community and neighboring communities gives me hope that we can and will persevere and emerge stronger. Please continue to pray for the victims and their families, the injured and pray for the strength to carry on in the days ahead.

Oxford StrOng

“Advised” the school, really, Did you even ask? Hell doctors and nurses are asking patients if the have firearms.

So, the kid lied, the kid is manipulative and scheming and again proves that no matter how highly trained you think you are, you can't read another person's heart.

Unfortunately, the State in it's hubris still thinks it is possible to read people's hearts and their solution will be to become more invasive and punish people for thought crimes like looking at bullets on the internet.

The school is covering their a$$'s. To me it's a fine line with teachers being parents but don't tell me they didn't see signs. Obviously the parents didn't give 2 craps, they should have kicked him out.

It's a tough call, I know.

Whatever we do, don’t question what may cause kids to shoot up the same cookie cutter environment over and over and over.

Could there perhaps be something seriously damaging about the public school system?

Yup

You mean like pushing Marxist deconstructionism and LGBT?
Bah! Couldn't be!

Godless society, dope, video games, poor diets, no discipline,..fatherless homes

“No fear”

What about the bullies? No one ever discusses them.

I used to drive school bus. I dealt with a few of those turds every day, they were always up to something. They always picked on kids with autism or something.


Sure the schools have policies against bullying but they don’t ever enforce it.

I think it'll turn out that the mother was the manipulative one.

Of course they are, this letter was most likely composed by the schools law firm or at a minimum edited by their lawyers.

The event on Nov. 12th they say the police and the school feel were unrelated was when the graffiti done in red paint was plastered on the schools courtyard walls along with a dumped deer head. Never a comment as to what the graffiti referenced.
The police were informed of the event so you bet they want to say it was unrelated.

Plenty of other major factors left unaddressed.
Like notta mention of Ethans online posting the other school kids reported to the school.

What they enforce is “Zero Tolerance” their is no victim, there is no aggressor, they are both treated the same.

Several years ago my son was on the high school basketball team, he was not good, he was the benchwarmer.

The “star” of the team was a pretty boy and a bully. One night on the bus back from a game the star bully decided it was time to pick on the benchwarmer. There was a fight, both got suspended, zero tolerance and all.

I had to go meet with the Principal the next day. He cited their Zero Tolerance policy, all involved will be treated the same, no victim, no aggressor.

I said, what would you do if I came across this desk and started pounding knots on your head, he said I would call the police and have you arrested.

I said, but we are on school property snd you have a Zero Tolerance policy, no victim, no aggressor. When the Police arrive they will have to arrest us both and treat us the same, Correct.

He said, don’t be ridiculous, you would have attacked me first, you will be the one going to jail, not me.

I said “Exactly” , my son will be in school tomorrow, have a nice day. Never heard another word about it.

In the end, understand that when the "School" is found culpable in the deaths from not removing the shooter, the tax payers are the ones who will foot the bill for any settlement. The people who made decisions that allowed this should be the ones who pay, like the other thread running about DUI convictions and child support, put the onus where it lies, not on my bank account. Of course, no two or three councilors or principals can pay the millions that will agreed to in payout, they should reach into the complete administration and school boards to draw from, as it is they will take from you and me to cover the award.

Folks who want change should run for school board positions, they are the ones who hire the Superintendents and administration positions and decide on curriculum.

Physician heal thyself...

I was about 10 levels beneath your son during my school years.
They wouldn't have had me on the team, not even as the bench, let alone a bench warmer. I was more like their football.

I could make the most fu_cked up posts of fu_cked up posts ever made on the fire relating to Ethan Crumbley's comment, "The thoughts won’t stop, help me". I lived it for years.

Undoubtedly why I get so interested in these events to this day.

Well played.

Trivial facts about the Crumbley's.

Before moving to Michigan, the couple lived in Issaquah, Washington.
Before Washington, the couple lived in Jacksonville, Florida.

The criminal records of Jennifer and James Crumbley show both were convicted of drunken driving for an offense in Florida on the same day. Court records indicate they each pleaded no contest and were sentenced to probation, additional fees and fines, plus the revocation of their licenses for six months.

James Crumbley also has faced repeated charges in Florida for driving with a suspended license.

Jennifer Crumbley was charged with writing a worthless check in Florida.

Court filings indicate James Crumbley was in arrears for several thousand dollars in out-of-state child support for two different women, both in Duval County near Jacksonville, Florida.
A filing from last month involved more than $1,721 in overdue support payments dating back to June 2005 for a daughter born in 1997.
A separate complaint filed in June 2017 claimed $7,617 in arrears for his financial support of a son born in August 2003.

Both stated that support payment plans had been approved and ordered by courts in Florida and Michigan, but court records gave no indication if James Crumbley ever lived up to the agreements.

https://www.mlive.com/news/2021/12/...ut-parents-of-oxford-school-shooter.html

I do wonder if some of the kids that didnt show up were ones that bullied the shooter