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Strange, when you consider that when Germany defeated Belgium the blueprints for the Hi Power were smuggled to Canada and the Canadian Inglis arms plant just tooled up to make them, and the Hi Powers they produced were perfect. But Springfield Armory, with access to the very same blueprints, can’t equal what Inglis did in war time?
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TRH, the original P35 and Inglis pistols had an internal extractor like 1911s.
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TRH, the original P35 and Inglis pistols had an internal extractor like 1911s. I thought it was retarded that they put a external extractor on it. Why Fuqk with a tried and true John Browning design ??? Some of the “modern” 1911 mfgs have done that too, I’ve noticed. Think I’ll spend the money on one of the new Tisa Hi-Powers made in Turkey when I can find one. The 1911 of theirs I bought is an “original” John Browning copy. And works great!
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The problem with the Girsan Hi-Power is the importer. Girsan seems to do a good job with its products.
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It's a chit test.
You can't evaluate a new product if the very first thing you do is "improve" it with aftermarket parts. I'm sure Springfield is pretty offended by his "test".
This is just his promotion of him as an "expert" and an effort to gain more exposure to his business. Nothing wrong with that, but there are many who don't understand that and see this as some sort of useful information; when in fact, its a cleverly disguised advertisement.
Personally I don't consider the guy much of an expert, and I often find myself in disagreement with his assertions or recommendations. But I'm certainly not offended by him promoting himself and his business; that's what you're supposed to do when you own a business.
Give it a little time, SA will work out the little bugs and this will be the best Hi Power ever. With modern manufacturing there's just no excuse for it to be anything but right. Patience is on your side. My take away was that he gives his seal of approval as a copy worthy of customization. Somewhere in his info, he mentioned that Springfield acknowledged and is addressing the extractor channel problem. If you ignore his high opinion of the SFS, it seems like he's actually pretty pleased with the SA35 and expects it to be a successful copy, albeit possibly with some minor negatives easily fixed. Can't say I agree with everything he says either though.
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Strange, when you consider that when Germany defeated Belgium the blueprints for the Hi Power were smuggled to Canada and the Canadian Inglis arms plant just tooled up to make them, and the Hi Powers they produced were perfect. But Springfield Armory, with access to the very same blueprints, can’t equal what Inglis did in war time? The blueprints aren't just the specs for the pistols, but much more importantly, they also tell yo how to make all the fixtures for manufacture, and which machines those fixtures are to be used on. They also had essentially unlimited resources AND the guy who invented the thing. SA is trying to adapt the design to modern manufacturing, and do so at a price point; which means they don't have an army of engineers and unlimited resources. They will get it, and it WILL be the best HP yet, just give them a little time.
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I'm willing to give SA time to work the bugs out. I'll probably buy one in a year or two.
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I installed a cylinder & slide extractor, spring, and pin in mine. No fitting seemed to be needed and it hand cycled correctly. Compared to the SA parts the spring rate is much higher, and the spring sits much better protected behind the extractor. The SA roll pin was also [bleep] - I'm glad I bought a spare.
I'll shoot it and report back.
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The gun has been 100% reliable since replacing the extractor. I suspect the spring and/or the pin was the culprit but it may have been the extractor itself. A cheap fix either way.
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The gun has been 100% reliable since replacing the extractor. I suspect the spring and/or the pin was the culprit but it may have been the extractor itself. A cheap fix either way. Thanks for the feed back
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Would like to own a Belgian made Hi Power. I think Siaeve SP designed this gun off of Browning's patent drawings. John M. died before making actual blueprints. So they weren't able to work together for long. Browning's original design didn't use but one screw. It had parts where one would hold the other in. This gun's history is a really fun study. Politics and all. Didn't the French start the process with a request for a new pistol design? Sounds right. I can't afford an older production HP like I would like to have. They cost a stupid amount of money. Be Well, RZ.
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I gave my Daughter a T model for home protection just a week ago. She is a classy Lady.
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I installed a cylinder & slide extractor, spring, and pin in mine. No fitting seemed to be needed and it hand cycled correctly. Compared to the SA parts the spring rate is much higher, and the spring sits much better protected behind the extractor. The SA roll pin was also [bleep] - I'm glad I bought a spare.
I'll shoot it and report back.
Did you buy the Pin from C&S also??
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I installed a cylinder & slide extractor, spring, and pin in mine. No fitting seemed to be needed and it hand cycled correctly. Compared to the SA parts the spring rate is much higher, and the spring sits much better protected behind the extractor. The SA roll pin was also [bleep] - I'm glad I bought a spare.
I'll shoot it and report back.
Did you buy the Pin from C&S also?? Sorry I wasn't clear. I used a Browning pin. AFAIK C&S does not offer a pin, but I could easily be missing something. The extractor and spring came together from C&S. The SA pin was really garbage. I tapped it out with a punch and lightly grabbed it with pliers so it didn't fall in the floor, and it broke in half from that. There may have been some sort of flaw in the middle of the pin?
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I gave my Daughter a T model for home protection just a week ago. She is a classy Lady. The T-series Hi-Powers were the cream of the crop.
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I installed a cylinder & slide extractor, spring, and pin in mine. No fitting seemed to be needed and it hand cycled correctly. Compared to the SA parts the spring rate is much higher, and the spring sits much better protected behind the extractor. The SA roll pin was also [bleep] - I'm glad I bought a spare.
I'll shoot it and report back.
Did you buy the Pin from C&S also?? Sorry I wasn't clear. I used a Browning pin. AFAIK C&S does not offer a pin, but I could easily be missing something. The extractor and spring came together from C&S. The SA pin was really garbage. I tapped it out with a punch and lightly grabbed it with pliers so it didn't fall in the floor, and it broke in half from that. There may have been some sort of flaw in the middle of the pin? Thanks for the info. I expect to take possession of mine on Saturday. Might not be a bad idea to have a C&S extractor in my parts bin and ready to go if problems arise. They're pretty cheap.
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Hi Llama_Bob, could you please give links to where you bought your parts? I bought a SA-35 and have shot less than 300 rounds through it. I've taken it to the range 3 times & each time had 2-3 failure to eject jams. I've contacted Springfield Armory about sending it in for repair, but I haven't heard back from them yet. Honestly, I am skeptical about the repair as I have read about other people who have sent in theirs, but still have the same problem.
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