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No, they went to Bethlehem. Apparently after Jesus was born, his parents stayed there rather than going home. Right after the Magi were there, Herod killed all the boys in town which caused them to flee to Egypt. After Herod died, they returned and then settled in Nazareth.

Matt 2:7 Then Herod summoned the wise men secretly and ascertained from them what time the star had appeared.
8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, saying, "Go and search diligently for the child, and when you have found him, bring me word, that I too may come and worship him."

Whatever the star was, it was low enough to sit directly over a specific house and point it out to the Magi. Nothing above the atmosphere could do that.
Matt 2:9 After listening to the king, they went on their way. And behold, the star that they had seen when it rose went before them until it came to rest over the place where the child was.

Sounds like a good relationship with Him.

Paul.....who never met Jesus in the Flesh....writing at least 40 years after the alleged events.....again, not a great source.

Faith is not a pathway to truth.

Then why the need for masks?

Except the part where none of it ever happened. Modern Biblical Scholars accept that Moses never existed, and the exodus as portrayed in the Bible never happened.

I cannot believe there was a band of 2,000,000 Jewish nomads wandering about. Think about it.

Paul met the resurrected Jesus. And Paul’s epistles were written between 17 and 25 years after Jesus’ resurrection, during the height of his missionary activity. They are the earliest surviving Christian texts.

Our best surviving biography of Alexander the Great comes from nearly five hundred years after his death...!

We have many contemporary references to Alexander, coins with his image etc. and no modern person making supernatural claiming regarding him, nor claiming him as they Lord, Savior, and believe in these supernatural acts as a pathway to an everlasting paradise. These are much different claims that as such are subjected to very different standards of evidence.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. In ancient times it's alleged Alexander's mother claimed he was half god, like Hercules. I find both of those claims, as they apply to Alexander and Hercules as lacking in evidence, as I imagine you do as well. The difference is I also find the supernatural claims attributed to Jesus as lacking in evidence.

I have thought about it. They started with 70 people going into Egypt. The Hebrews were known for being prolific and they had 435 years to breed with the girls often starting at age 12 or 13. The numbers are very credible. As far as 2 million nomads, they didn't need to find or grow food. It's told time after time that God himself fed them, a substance called manna in the Bible. Whatever it was, it was a complete diet.

The disciples spent 3 years with Jesus and witnessed what he did and witnessed his death and resurrection. Most of them died terrible deaths upholding Jesus' words. Why would they do that for a lie? Did Alexander's mother die that way? I doubt it. It's up to you to believe it not, your choice. My choice is to believe every word of it because Jesus proved who he is.

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But we’ve been discussing the historicity of Jesus, and whether or not He existed. Period.

Now you’re moving the goalposts.

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Kind of like the yellow UN food rations packages dropped in Ethiopian and Somalia?

Yea, so believable. I'm going to punish you by making you lost...but providing all your food so you don't have to work. Sounds like your God invented welfare.

You brought Alexander into the argument, not me.

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You asserted that since “Paul…who never met Jesus in the Flesh....writing at least 40 years after the alleged events.....” somehow discredited his texts as being “not a great source.”

And I pointed out, in response, that our best surviving biography of Alexander the Great comes from nearly five hundred years after his death...! From an author who clearly never met Alexander the Great in the flesh…!

Where did you get the number 2,000,000? I'm guessing it must be in the Moses section?

Never mind, I found it. 600,000 fighting men plus women and children.

Nice masks, dick head.

You are correct they were Astrologers. They were Astrolgers from Persia and they could read the Signs (Gen 1:14, Psalms 147:4) so "following a Star" would not have been what they did. If you know anything about Astrology you know this single Star following would not be true. The chances of them boing to Nazareth or Bethlehem or Palestine or any of those places would have been Ludacris. Since the belief is this all took place in Dec. the Constellation Sagittarius, then what these Magi seen was the Sun being crucified on the Southern Cross on Dec. 21st the resurrected 3 days later on the 25th to begin its journey into the Constellation Aries the Ram/Lamb in the time of the Spring equinox starting March 21 to April 19. In this journey the Sun climbed upon the mountain to be tempted, Capricorn, met up with the waterman John the Baptist in Feb, Aquarius, then became a fisher of men in March in the time of Pisces, continuing across the sky into Aries to become the Lamb of God, i.e. the Ram.
This is what the Magi would have seen. If it was literal like many have made the story, then it is extremely interesting that the only ones outside the immediate family who had any idea of this birth were 3 Astrologers from Persia. This after all the alleged writings in the OT concerning this birth, teachings that all the Preachers, Pastors, Priests, Bible Scholars, Church leaders, ect. the ones called Pharisees, Lawyers, Scribes, ect. were teaching and interpreting for years and not one of them or their followers showed up or had any inkling of an idea it was happening.