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I'm not John Hagee or Billy Graham.

OK, you are not going to answer. I understand.

God does not sin? The bible has its god cursing the whole world and the generations that follow over the actions of a naive couple, drowning the world, ordering wholesale slaughter, women, children, infants, livestock....that is sin on Grand Scale.

Oh well… there was another man who once questioned and accused God….God asked him a series of questions…this is just part of God’s responses:

“Then the Lord answered……out of the whirlwind….and said, Who is this that darkeneth (my) counsel by words without knowledge?”

Words without knowledge…. There you have it in a nutshell… you speak but speak without knowledge.

I'm not making accusations. It is in the bible. I am merely pointing to what is written.

Well sure you are making the allegation that God sins…. You end your statements with “….:that is sin on a grand scale.”

You don’t seem stupid so one would assume you know what you wrote… but then you try to deny it by saying you are not making an accusation…..you then just make yourself like ….well what…let me see…..wishy washy?…. Well yes but …. Maybe just just onlooker blurting out rash and poorly thought out nonsense…...like a *******?

Btw…. You seem to have your own odd, ill informed and unsubstantiated opinions about all sorts the biblical topics….so perhaps you can ponder this…. Did the fall of Lucifer happen before or after the creation of man?

How about god murders and orders for murders to be undertaken?

To break God given laws is considered to be a sin;

'''Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.'' - 1 JOHN 3:4

The laws represent Godly values, though shalt not kill, etc.....yet we have many descriptions of God not only killing the innocent (the first born of Egypt), and on a grand scale (the flood), but ordering his chosen tribe to commit wholesale slaughter, women children, animals, rape (keep the virgins for yourselves)

This is not something I am making up, it is there for all to see and read.

A God of Love, by definition, cannot resort to wholesale killing as a 'solution.'


''Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.''- 1 Corinthians




That's you. The problem is that you don't read objective material relating to the history and development of beliefs, that Adam and Eve, the Flood, etc, was borrowed from older cultures and adapted for the purpose of building an identity and religion for the tribe of Israel. Not to mention that Satan in Judaism is not the Devil of Christian theology.

Widen your reading. Inform yourself.

Salvation isn’t based on Adam and Eve, the flood, Judaism, the Devil, the assertion that “the history and development of beliefs that was borrowed from older cultures and adapted for the purpose of building an identity and religion for the tribe of Israel,” or any other flippin’ thing along those lines. None of that, none, has anything to do with requirements for salvation.

Ancient Judaism is over with; it’s done. And it has been since August 6th in AD 70, when the four-year war between Rome and the Jewish rebels came to a violent conclusion. The Jewish temple was looted and burned and razed to the ground. Its destruction signaled the end of ancient Judaism. The words of the Old Covenant were preserved, but Israel’s ability to live in accordance with those words disappeared in a single day. Ancient Judaism...as prescribed by Moses at Mount Sinai...ceased to exist.

It’s pretty simple, and easy. Change your mind (repent) about your sin and your need for God’s forgiveness, believe the Gospel and accept His free gift of grace. That’s it.

Then let God’s love for you and for those around you inform your conscience and shape your behavior. Love God, and demonstrate your love for God by loving others. It’s a totally different way of approaching life, within the context of a brand New Covenant that says “your sin is paid for, now live a life that reflects the forgiveness of God as you mirror that in your forgiveness of the people around you.”

Wait a minute….you presumably don’t believe the Bible is the word of God….you rail against it…. Make rash and poorly thought accusations against God….”….utterances without knowledge..”

And then you try to use that very same Bible to rebuke me?

Nah, you just don’t like it when some one points out your nonsense for what it is.

Yep, you continue to make no sense and continue to “…. speak without knowledge…”

Well, let me ask you this….do you believe in the God of the Bible? Is the Bible the word of God?

If not, one would assume you to be an unbeliever…..

If not a believer , why are you even on this forum wasting your time?

More “…utterances without knowledge…” …… because that’s all you can do….

I do this when I sin as a believer who is in the family of God already. This is different from repentance for salvation.
When it comes to salvation, giving up sin, ie keeping the law, is a mandate forbidden in scripture. The only issue when it comes to salvation is that all sins, past and future have been paid in full by the only One Who could.
The repentance is from that belief that opposed complete faith in Christ. In this case, it would be a change of mind towards His complete atonement from a mixture of that and keeping the law. (See the book of Galatians)

Yes, all of the disciples in Jerusalem were working hard that day. My points are this.

Repentance is considered a good work as it pertains to sins. Example is that we are tempted and it takes effort on our part to obey the many laws of God. That's the same as trying to turn from breaking the laws to keeping His laws. Those are works in the O.T. and N.T. There's many places, but the book of Galatians addresses it as a theme.

There's a place for this as applied to a national policy to stave off God's wrath and judgement as in Nineveh. However, it is not a requirement for personal salvation.

The theme of John's book is the person and gospel of salvation. John 20

"And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

Do you know how many times the terms "repent and repentance" are used in this book that is written to the lost?

Don't forget that He and Jesus are setting up there in some Heaven plotting on nuking the Earth and most of the inhabitants. Sounds like a fun living entity doesn't it. OH, and then there's the He is no respecter of persons, BUT the Jews are His chosen people and they are the only people He recognized.

Actually, the chosen are the children of Abraham.
Those are defined as anyone who agrees with God to accept His mercy and forgiveness by simply believing on His Son and His unlimited payment for all your sins.

Those physical descendents of Abraham also needed to believe that same Lord. When they were given a home base where Abraham lived, they were supposed to be a light for ALL NATIONS. They were given instructions to share the true God and His message with all people.

Those in the end when the Lord opens the judgement upon the earth will destroy those who hardened their hearts to a point that they made their final decision to reject God's mercy and forgiveness. These people decided to become devil worshippers and God rejected them.

The wise thing is to accept His forgiveness before the heart grows hard.
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The only true God, how interesting. Is there a specific name or will any name suffice?

I see you're very comfortable changing the meaning of words and phrases to suit your needs.

The Bible basics are clear on what I just said.
I wrote a whole chapter on the subject for anyone to read if they go back to each of my posts. The videos amount to a book. It's not difficult for anyone with ears to hear.

Jimmy Swaggart then?

I never found them clear, especially when you try and read that book literally. But I see you never answered my question.