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Yep, farmer-tight / oilfield-tight has proved to cause some issues.
I was skeptical of 15-17 inch pounds of torque on rings.
But evenly applied, I have not had issues on any 338, 375, 416, or 458 Lott, even with the “heavier” European type scope.
I do believe occasionally there are some piss-poorly manufactured rings that make it into the market place.
Lol, I have seen a couple of the wasp-waisted scope tubes. They give a unique design to a scope tube.
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So you drank the campfire Koolaid? This site has more than it's share of Leupold bashers. Interestingly that is not the case on some of the other sources of info. Not trying to change your mind just take what you see with a grain or two of salt. The change in characters on the campfire over the last couple years coincides with the Leupold hate.... I will stick with them until I have issues. lots of loud mouth idiots on the fire who find fault in anything except themselves..Ive been shooting Leupolds for over 40 years.I have about 20 of them and never had to send any back for repair. stay away from the Freedom series on magnum calibers. A lot of people have experience that is very different from yours when it comes to Leup scopes. That doesn’t make them loud-mouth idiots. Jordan: You're correct as usual. Clearly one can be a LMI even if they never had a problem with a Leupold.
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So you drank the campfire Koolaid? This site has more than it's share of Leupold bashers. Interestingly that is not the case on some of the other sources of info. Not trying to change your mind just take what you see with a grain or two of salt. The change in characters on the campfire over the last couple years coincides with the Leupold hate.... I will stick with them until I have issues. lots of loud mouth idiots on the fire who find fault in anything except themselves..Ive been shooting Leupolds for over 40 years.I have about 20 of them and never had to send any back for repair. stay away from the Freedom series on magnum calibers. A lot of people have experience that is very different from yours when it comes to Leup scopes. That doesn’t make them loud-mouth idiots. Jordan: You're correct as usual. Clearly one can be a LMI even if they never had a problem with a Leupold. Hah, that's certainly true!
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The current consensus is that Leupold is not what they used to be and haven’t been for several years. So my question is what is a good alternative? I am not a long ranges knob twister in any way . All I need is good optics, reliability, decent adjustments without breaking the bank. 2-7, or 3-9, do anything I want. Will spend 500 to 600 bucks for a scope. Not going to put out thousands of dollars for something I don’t need. The wife is really screwed as she was a Nikon freak. One of her old scopes needed repair and she got a voucher toward binoculars. Harder than hell to mount and impossible to sight in. It seems like you like Leupolds, so if you are unsure about the new ones, just buy a used one. Get yourself an older 3.5-10 for $300.00 - $400.00 and forget about all the bashing and BS in this thread. The warranty on the older scopes is still lifetime.... I've got a TON of Leupolds. Bought my first one in approx 1991. Over the years I've used Leupolds almost exclusively and I'm still waiting on a failure. Some I set and forget. Some I dial up, down, left and right. I've checked them for accuracy in adjustments and I've done box tests with them. I haven't been disappointed yet. Don't stress yourself out over it, just buy a clean used scope and carry on.
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The current consensus is that Leupold is not what they used to be and haven’t been for several years. So my question is what is a good alternative? I am not a long ranges knob twister in any way . All I need is good optics, reliability, decent adjustments without breaking the bank. 2-7, or 3-9, do anything I want. Will spend 500 to 600 bucks for a scope. Not going to put out thousands of dollars for something I don’t need. The wife is really screwed as she was a Nikon freak. One of her old scopes needed repair and she got a voucher toward binoculars. Harder than hell to mount and impossible to sight in. It seems like you like Leupolds, so if you are unsure about the new ones, just buy a used one. Get yourself an older 3.5-10 for $300.00 - $400.00 and forget about all the bashing and BS in this thread. The warranty on the older scopes is still lifetime.... I've got a TON of Leupolds. Bought my first one in approx 1991. Over the years I've used Leupolds almost exclusively and I'm still waiting on a failure. Some I set and forget. Some I dial up, down, left and right. I've checked them for accuracy in adjustments and I've done box tests with them. I haven't been disappointed yet. Don't stress yourself out over it, just buy a clean used scope and carry on. ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ The proverbial golden nugget found after sifting thru the sand.
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I'm betting lot of scope / gun problems are likely self inflicted.....I know I've inflicted myself on more than one occasion working on something I shouldn't have be it guns, cars, plumbing, electrical the list is long.
Being a Jack of all trades is hard.
Somethings are better left to Gunsmiths....I'll go out on a limb and say that scope set up and mounting is one of those things that the Average jOe shouldn't tackle after watching a few You tube videos. I have run into several gunsmiths over the years who didn't have much of a clue about mounting scopes. Have seen several tighten rings so much they left a visible "waist" in the scope tube, and often the pressure prevented the scope from adjusting correctly. In fact one of those claimed that ALL Leupold scopes are bad right out of the factory, due to his ham-handed idiocy. I've ran into my share of bad gunsmiths....sad thing is at any moment one can go.bad.
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What did you say your Ebay name was ? I don't have one. My son is a full time EBay merchant. He lists as Pro 2A Solutions, and he's a serious 2A advocate, sells a lot of holsters, etc. He'll be the one selling it. But can't do that until I get it back from Beaverton. DF
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I'm betting lot of scope / gun problems are likely self inflicted.....I know I've inflicted myself on more than one occasion working on something I shouldn't have be it guns, cars, plumbing, electrical the list is long.
Being a Jack of all trades is hard.
Somethings are better left to Gunsmiths....I'll go out on a limb and say that scope set up and mounting is one of those things that the Average jOe shouldn't tackle after watching a few You tube videos. I have run into several gunsmiths over the years who didn't have much of a clue about mounting scopes. Have seen several tighten rings so much they left a visible "waist" in the scope tube, and often the pressure prevented the scope from adjusting correctly. In fact one of those claimed that ALL Leupold scopes are bad right out of the factory, due to his ham-handed idiocy. I've ran into my share of bad gunsmiths....sad thing is at any moment one can go.bad. Just got my new Maven 2-10x38 in and mounted it. They have instructions to tighten rings to 20 inch pounds. I've read that 20 inch pounds is pretty close to what you can tighten one with the short end of the little wrench. That's what I do, although I do have a torque wrench, I find that easier and quicker. I was working on a friends rifle and loosening the ring screws took full effort using the long end of the wrench. Those screws were a LOT tighter than 20 inch pounds, probably double or more. At least they went back at near 20 inch pounds, not "farmer tight".... DF
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“Just got my new Maven 2-10x38 in and mounted it. They have instructions to tighten rings to 20 inch pounds.”
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What do you think of the Maven?
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“Just got my new Maven 2-10x38 in and mounted it. They have instructions to tighten rings to 20 inch pounds.”
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What do you think of the Maven? Very impressed with the glass. Better than VX-3i or 4200 Bushnell, closer to a Z-5 Swaro. Duplex about like the VX-3. Adjustments seem crisp and precise, haven’t sighted it in yet. ER is shorter than a Leupold, but that doesn’t seem to be an issue, at least on a .22-250. Would think twice about putting it on a big stomper. 1” tube is long enough to mount easily. Too many new scopes are too short, IMO. So far, so good. Will report. DF
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Leupolds scopes are not for dummies
Nor for discerning consumers.
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"I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country."
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“Just got my new Maven 2-10x38 in and mounted it. They have instructions to tighten rings to 20 inch pounds.”
Dirtfarmer
What do you think of the Maven? Very impressed with the glass. Better than VX-3i or 4200 Bushnell, closer to a Z-5 Swaro. Duplex about like the VX-3. Adjustments seem crisp and precise, haven’t sighted it in yet. ER is shorter than a Leupold, but that doesn’t seem to be an issue, at least on a .22-250. Would think twice about putting it on a big stomper. 1” tube is long enough to mount easily. Too many new scopes are too short, IMO. So far, so good. Will report. DF I'm reading that eye relief is between 2 - 3 inches on the Maven 2-10X38, is this correct? "Eye relief @2x: 60-79mm @10x: 60-81mm"
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What did you say your Ebay name was ? I don't have one. My son is a full time EBay merchant. He lists as Pro 2A Solutions, and he's a serious 2A advocate, sells a lot of holsters, etc. He'll be the one selling it. But can't do that until I get it back from Beaverton. DF Thanks....I'll l be sure to not buy a Leupold scope from him
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“Just got my new Maven 2-10x38 in and mounted it. They have instructions to tighten rings to 20 inch pounds.”
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What do you think of the Maven? Maven....heck of a name for a rifle scope. I nominate it for the Bruce Jenner Award.
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“Just got my new Maven 2-10x38 in and mounted it. They have instructions to tighten rings to 20 inch pounds.”
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What do you think of the Maven? Very impressed with the glass. Better than VX-3i or 4200 Bushnell, closer to a Z-5 Swaro. Duplex about like the VX-3. Adjustments seem crisp and precise, haven’t sighted it in yet. ER is shorter than a Leupold, but that doesn’t seem to be an issue, at least on a .22-250. Would think twice about putting it on a big stomper. 1” tube is long enough to mount easily. Too many new scopes are too short, IMO. So far, so good. Will report. DF I noticed the short ER, 3.11-3.19 inches, the other day while I was perusing them. A good thing is that you shouldn't have to compensate for that much when changing from one power to the other. I could live with that on most rifles, as long as I could get it mounted so I can throw the bolt without banging my poor old nose. Having to lift or turn my head is unacceptable. Still, on balance, I’ll pay another hundred and stick with the Accupoint 3-9 w/duplex. For another $145, the Toric 2-10 gives a lot more ER, includes a turret kit wit zero stop if you decide you need to dial, and 10 more moa on tap, but is a lot heavier. The Maven reminds me of the SWFA 2-10, but executed a bit better, and worth the extra money.
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“Just got my new Maven 2-10x38 in and mounted it. They have instructions to tighten rings to 20 inch pounds.”
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What do you think of the Maven? Maven....heck of a name for a rifle scope. I nominate it for the Bruce Jenner Award. Why? Was it originally masquerading as a German scope?
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I noticed the short ER, 3.11-3.19 inches, the other day while I was perusing them.
"the other day while I was perusing them".... That has kind of a Nigerian ring to it.
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A quick google says that Maven ain’t cheap.
I say add a couple hundie and get a Zeiss V4 demo unit from RHR. Zeiss > Maven.
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A quick google says that Maven ain’t cheap.
I say add a couple hundie and get a Zeiss V4 demo unit from RHR. Zeiss > Maven. I'd get another Tract they are top notch
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