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Imagine a conversation between Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins...and the Apostle Peter. Harris and Dawkins would start out with their blistering critique of the Old Testament and highlight God’s genocidal directives to the Hebrews to go into a land and kill everybody and everything in the land, then they’d go on and on about the dangers of religion and they’d cite all of the atrocities carried out in the name of religion throughout history, and especially Christian atrocities. And, they might question God’s plan and how He set up a naive couple in the Garden of Eden to fail. And then punish humanity for their failure.
But...the foundation of the Christian faith is not a cobbled together group of manuscripts that describes these things. Peter might respond by telling them that he’s certainly familiar with the history of his people; much more so than they are. And maybe that he’s never questioned it because that’s how he was raised. And he’d likely point out that none of that...nothing thats been said by any of them has anything to do with his decision to now follow Jesus. The unbelievers would reference the inadequacy of Peter’s beliefs, so then Peter would explain his reasoning...and He only has one reason.
When Jesus was arrested, Peter ran...and when asked if he knew Jesus, Peter lied. And when the Romans crucified Jesus, He died. And at that time, Peter was like the unbelievers…he had no faith. He didn’t know what to believe. He had no reason to believe, because he didn’t know what to believe. He’d just spent 3 years of his life following a now dead false prophet, and now he had a price on his head.
And then Jesus came, and there He was...very much alive.
Peter wouldn’t see it as bein’ worth arguing about anything the unbelievers had said, but he’d very likely clarify one thing...his reason for believing wasn’t something he’d heard or read or had read to him. Peter believed what he believed because of what he saw...he watched Jesus die, he knew exactly where He was buried, but God raised Him from the dead...and Peter saw Him, and he saw Him more than once. That’s the reason...that’s the only reason...for Peter’s hope and belief.
And that’s the reason for my hope and belief as well. You are cleverly making an unassailable point. But alas most sceptics are too biased to realize it. But then they are not serious sceptics.
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An argument is only as good as the premises upon which it is based. Interpretations and assumptions may be flawed, Muslim or Hindu theology, Judaism, Christianity, New Age, etc, etc,
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You are cleverly making an unassailable point. But alas most sceptics are too biased to realize it. But then they are not serious sceptics.
Yet when those of Islamic faith make cleverly unassailable points regarding their particular beliefs you lot seem more than happy to denigrate their considered argument. You are all religious nutjobs not because of your beliefs, but because you insist that all should follow your beliefs. Not one of you proselytising pricks is any different from the Muslim turds or the Jewish turds that seek to control others.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Welcome to TN - patron state of shootin’ stuff
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You are cleverly making an unassailable point. But alas most sceptics are too biased to realize it. But then they are not serious sceptics.
Yet when those of Islamic faith make cleverly unassailable points regarding their particular beliefs you lot seem more than happy to denigrate their considered argument. You are all religious nutjobs not because of your beliefs, but because you insist that all should follow your beliefs. Not one of you proselytising pricks is any different from the Muslim turds or the Jewish turds that seek to control others. Well put. If they had been born Muslim's, I wonder what their belief would be.
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They would be much the same as others in their family, community, nation and culture. Hindus, Christians, Jews, Muslims, conservatives, liberals.......
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They would be much the same as others in their family, community, nation and culture. Hindus, Christians, Jews, Muslims, conservatives, liberals....... True. As Thomas Paine called it.............accident of birth.
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You are all religious nutjobs not because of your beliefs, but because you insist that all should follow your beliefs. Not one of you proselytising pricks is any different from the Muslim turds or the Jewish turds that seek to control others. smh I don’t insist that all should follow my beliefs. Nor do I seek to control others. I face my greatest challenge every morning when I look in the mirror. I have my hands full enough with that guy. And the atheists here do just as much “proselytizing” for their religion of no beliefs than a lot of the ‘Christians’ do. It’s OK with me for others to choose to believe whatever they choose to believe.
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