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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
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.223 with 6" twist shooting the 88 ELD at 2600 would be a great learning tool.

Hey Jordan, are there any factory rifles of which you are aware providing a 1 in 6 twist; or, is it required to purchase such from a barrel manufacturer? Thanks in advance.

No, sir. It’s a custom barrel proposition.

I thought so. Thanks much.


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Originally Posted by colodog
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Excellent brass, bullets, and factory ammo.

while I am a rem 700/Krieger guy. I do not have a savage. you could start right away with a savage 6mmbr or a 22-250 with an 8 twist. I bet either will do what you need

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a couple years ago I took an old shot out .243 and just re barreled it in an 8 twist .243 (X-caliber) to shoot the 108 gr ELDMs for varmints and to dabble in the long range game. I put an Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x on cuz I didn't want to sale a kidney to glass a gun that was really just built to play around with and didn't really plan on getting to wound up in the long range stuff. Bottom line is it shoots better than I had hoped by a long shot. That ELDM does everything I want to do on things from Prairie dogs to Coyotes and can ring a gong at 1000 with regularity. I went that way just cuz I didn't want to join the creed band wagon and I had all the reloading stuff for .243 including 1000 pieces of brass. It was all done on a half assed budget and was a crap load of fun.


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Not sure what you're leaning towards now. You mentioned a 700vls in 22-250.


Look for an SPS Varmint. I bought one when they came out with a similar train of thought. Learn to shoot accurately and build from it as I grow. Eventually have the action work done and rebarreled and probably a 6-6.5 flavor. Kinda got out on the back burner and getting back to it now. That gun absolutely shoots out of the box with the crappy green plastic stock. When I was shooting regular 5 shot groups were covered by a dime. Had some ridiculous 1 ragged hole 3 shot groups. Groundhogs under 250 didn't stand much chance (not an easy task for most guys in PA lol). At my peak, I was nailing them out to 350. Biggest issue for me was my longest range was 200yds. I've since moved and have a 400yd range within a couple minutes and longer in the area...



The SPS Varmint can be found for under 500. I've seen a couple on here recently. I think a 22-250 and a 308 real recently. Good glass, trigger work or replaced, eventually a stock of your liking and you'll have a heck of a foundation.

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Originally Posted by Jordan Smith
.223 with 6" twist shooting the 88 ELD at 2600 would be a great learning tool.

Does it need a full 6 twist? 90s stabilized in a 20 inch tube with 6.5 twists. That said maybe I'm lucky, I have a bolt gun tube maybe a hart, but a good name in 6 twist and had no clue what to use it for. Maybe you answered that itch....


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And me... I still have this. bag of donated 6mmRem/224 necked down. New folks call it TTH I think.... but its been around way before that stupid azz name...worked well on the 1000 yard line so many years ago when 80s where new...


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A good .22-250 is all you need..


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I have a friend that goes out west to shoot prairie dogs. He uses a .243 AI with a fast twist barrel so he can shoot 105 grain bullets. They kill at 800+ yards with ease.

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if your not a handloader get a 223 Rem. fast twist barrel ,75 grain and higher bullets.

if you are a handloader get a 6 B.R. fast twist barrel shoot higher grain target bullets.

both of these cartridges have very little recoil but can still get the job done at long distance shooting.good luck,Pete53


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Nobody has recommended a decent .22 rimfire with say an swfa 10x scope. You will save a lot of money this way when it comes to learning to shoot in the wind and adjusting scope turrents. I have a Savage 110 tactical in 6c and still shoot a lot of rimfire ammo.

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6mm Arc has recently been my do it all centerfire in a land where a whitetail would be the biggest game pursued. If you are a non reloader 223 7 twist could get you your distance suggested. Ammo & or components is a worth while consideration in spades these days.


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Take a look at "The Varmint Page" at 6mmbr.com,
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A 6mm be it a 243 win or the 6mm Creedmoor in 8 twist will serve your needs well.

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Originally Posted by Redleg172
I have never been a long range shooter, I don't think I've killed big game past 150 yards. I want to build a semi-custom rifle to start shooting longer ranges and kill a few groundhogs here in PA. I will likely never shoot at a groundhog past 4-500 yards but would like to stretch out to 700-1000 yards on paper/gongs for the experience. I would also like to keep ammunition cost and recoil as low as possible and not get overly complicated forming cases or wildcatting.

My original thought was a 22-250 with a fast twist barrel (1:8ish) to shoot heavier bullets. Maybe an AI. I also considered a 243 with a standard twist and 90-100 grainers. Of course now everyone is 6.5 Creed happy. What are some other options? What would you pick?


What do you hunt with now?

I've known a few people who wanted to get into LR shooting/hunting but were overwhelmed at the cost. Told them to reconfigure what you already have, one guy Kelly had a plain Rem. 700 270win., I had 50 nosler cases left over, loaded him up some 150gr. BTSP Sierras. He bought a Super Sniper 10X, Harris swivel bipod, and an entry level 600 yard bushnell rangefinder and had a blast. He and his Dad immediately took up handloading and got all rigged out to shoot out to several hundred yards.
But we all know there's NOTHING wrong with buying a new rifle.
The 223rem., 6tw. barrel sounds perfect.

I met a guy who shot a 30-30 at 500+ yards and loved the challenge. He flagged me down one day and told me of dragging a road-killed deer to his target area and killing a coyote at 500-510 yards, one shot kill.
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As pointed out earlier, the .308 Winchester ammo is very available, and can be had most anywhere at decent prices. Many VERY accurate rifles have been produced in that cartridge

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+1...good advice. If you have a 700 in any caliber, up grades and add-ons` are non stop.

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2 year old post.
What did the OP decide on?


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Hopefully he took the great advice given and wound up with a 1-8 Tikka CTR in .223 and a bunch of 88’s before they became hard to get

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if you ever think you might use it on deer sized game, I'd consider the 6mm Creedmoor, I have one and it's my favorite rifle to shoot. Mine is a Christensen Arms with a 24" #4 steel barrel with an Area 419 Hellfire brake, McMillan Game Scout stock with Hawkins M5 DBM. Ammo is generally easier to get (all things considered these days) and that's important if you want to shoot much.

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