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Somewhere a village is missing its idiot. I’m not telling you anything you didn’t already know, just thinking out loud. Has the Golden Age of bolt action rifles as we knew it come and gone?
Nothing desirable from Kimber (Montana, Classic, Classic Select).
Ruger 77’s or Hawkeye’s have mutated into a techno/tactical version that doesn’t appeal to me.
Remington 700’s are shipping in a few forms, but they’re just using up old parts. The new “Alpha” 700 has me interested, but no idea when they’ll ship. I don’t think stainless is an option either.
No Barrett Fieldcraft’s for now and I don’t expect them ever to return in the same form.
Winchester isn’t the old Winchester and they’re not shipping well either.
Tikka still makes a good stainless hunting rifle, but shipments are far and few between.
Christensen has done a decent job keeping rifles on the shelf.
Proof has been shipping a few too.
I know all about the manufacturing challenges. Maybe I’m getting old? Not that I don’t think there is a place for the Ruger American or the Savage Axis, I just think there is a huge segment of the bolt action market that wants something better. It appears as if every manufacturer thinks dipping their stocks in some god awful camouflage and cerakoting the action is innovation.
I know I can’t be the only person out there disgusted with what’s currently available on the market? You know you aren't the only person with this belief. One of the reasons I only look at used rifles these days. There are always great deals to be had in the used rifle market. You'd know that, if you sold some. Instead you sell brand new chidt.. And yes, most of it is by and large just that..
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Another point of interest….
The used market is where it is because guys have nothing to trade for! That goes back to my original post. They bring their Ruger, Remington, Kimber or Brand X into the store to trade for another Ruger, Remington, Kimber or Brand X in a different chambering and there aren’t any new Ruger, Remington, Kimber or Brand X’s to trade for. The manufacturers aren’t producing rifles in quality similar to theirs and they aren’t trading down to a Ruger American or a Savage Axis. Guys will trade for equal or greater quality, but they won’t go down in perceived quality. If we get lucky they’ll sell us the rifle and we can put it on the used rack to appease another treasure hunter. That’s basically what’s happened. Common, quality sporting rifles have turned into treasures because manufacturers aren’t producing quality, common sporting rifles. And the quality used rifles continue to rise in price because that’s what the consumer wants!
I enjoy handguns and I really like shotguns,...but I love rifles!
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Call me the anti Christ but the new Winchesters seem pretty good to me. ![[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]](https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ww233/beretzs/D4307560-B5A3-4400-977F-389BC04425CC.jpeg) I can deal with a Tikka here and there as well. ![[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]](https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ww233/beretzs/B4AC543A-FD6C-4B69-8D60-65FAA0B658B1.jpeg) I just don’t believe the sky has fallen that hard just yet. I know it ain’t great but stuff is around if you look.
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Call me the anti Christ but the new Winchesters seem pretty good to me. I can deal with a Tikka here and there as well. I just don’t believe the sky has fallen that hard just yet. I know it ain’t great but stuff is around if you look. Agree, re: M70. There was a while, pre-COVID, when TSS had a bunch of FWTs and sporter for $750ish. Wish I'd grabbed a few, along with the 325s CDNN had for $600 😒😢.
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Another point of interest….
The used market is where it is because guys have nothing to trade for! That goes back to my original post. They bring their Ruger, Remington, Kimber or Brand X into the store to trade for another Ruger, Remington, Kimber or Brand X in a different chambering and there aren’t any new Ruger, Remington, Kimber or Brand X’s to trade for. The manufacturers aren’t producing rifles in quality similar to theirs and they aren’t trading down to a Ruger American or a Savage Axis. Guys will trade for equal or greater quality, but they won’t go down in perceived quality. If we get lucky they’ll sell us the rifle and we can put it on the used rack to appease another treasure hunter. That’s basically what’s happened. Common, quality sporting rifles have turned into treasures because manufacturers aren’t producing quality, common sporting rifles. And the quality used rifles continue to rise in price because that’s what the consumer wants! Actually the used market is where it's at if you know what you are doing (which of course you do). We picked up a number of post 94's from a family of a collector who just wanted to get rid of them since they sold the pre 64's for what they thought was good money.
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Call me the anti Christ but the new Winchesters seem pretty good to me. I can deal with a Tikka here and there as well. I just don’t believe the sky has fallen that hard just yet. I know it ain’t great but stuff is around if you look. Agree, re: M70. There was a while, pre-COVID, when TSS had a bunch of FWTs and sporter for $750ish. Wish I'd grabbed a few, along with the 325s CDNN had for $600 😒😢. I snagged one of the 325’s for 600. Excellent rifle so far as well. ![[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]](https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ww233/beretzs/8E9421E7_6B60_4FFB_BF6D_F5D07A4C0333_61473517388_41B14B6E_6852_4773_842D_54AA28D9AF22.JPG) ![[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]](https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ww233/beretzs/FE9DB84C_0102_49D6_AE19_1BFDD6198A2C_61473518437_623CDA0C_0562_4FEF_B113_03D88056A581.JPG) ![[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]](https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ww233/beretzs/FA9F8B00-4034-44C1-AA0D-E58F5E4214C0.jpeg)
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The Winchester M70's coming out of Portugal right now are pretty dang nice! ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/2019/Guns/i-Z7DHkVj/0/8af925fe/L/IMG_0442%5B1%5D-L.jpg) ![[Linked Image from photos.smugmug.com]](https://photos.smugmug.com/2019/Guns/i-DWX7Jnj/1/5421736b/L/IMG_0326-L.jpg)
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The Winchester M70's coming out of Portugal right now are pretty dang nice! I agree. Hate to admit it but they’re pretty good. For a 6 dollar trigger spring to fix the pull it’s hard to complain about them. Yours looks like a hammer as well.
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Some of you are saying the 77 Hawkeye is discontinued but I just checked Rugers website and it still shows Hawkeyes??? I think what people are saying is that you can find Ruger Americans everywhere but try and find a new Hawkeye for sale. Ok that makes sense. That lines up with my experience as well Traditional, wood/blued Hawkeyes are discontinued, not counting the African. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/eWhUBro.jpg) Ok thanks
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I guess I unwittingly supported SAS's position...bought a vanguard talus today. Hell of a nice rifle for $799.
So, yes, if nice rifles are available we will pony up the cash.
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And for the love of god, can manufacturers stop putting threads on the end of every damned barrel they send out? Guns are supposed to be loud and have recoil. If you can’t handle that, perhaps you should take up basket weaving. 100%%%%%% I hate brakes in both look and feel(on my ears)
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And for the love of god, can manufacturers stop putting threads on the end of every damned barrel they send out? Guns are supposed to be loud and have recoil. If you can’t handle that, perhaps you should take up basket weaving. 100%%%%%% I hate brakes in both look and feel(on my ears) If we would get with the program and stop pretending suppressors are going to turn everyone into mafia assassins or stealth poachers, I wouldn't mind a threaded barrel to keep the kids from going deaf. But no thanks on a brake... if the recoil is that bad, install a new pad or get a new gun. Very obnoxious at the range.
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Much of the current rifle buying customers now are flat out fakes. They only care that they look like fit in group so they mimic what they see others doing/buying and have no clue how a product should work or perform, and seemingly what it’s supposed to do. Almost daily, someone with a new HMR posts on the Facebook page something like,”what’s everyone using for ___________?” The blank could be suppressors, scopes, scope levels, magazines, tripod mounts (my fave, lol)…you get the idea… They might as well scream, “I can’t read, comprehend and discern for myself what to get, but that doesn’t matter because all that matters is that you accept me so tell me what to do.” All the times I've seen threads here where someone wasn't smart enough to figure out what gun/caliber/scope/twist rate they wanted. I never thought of that. Interesting.
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The only new rifle I have bought in many years is a Mauser M12 308 Win sold at a huge discount around a year ago. Some folks here know of what I speak. When delivered it was a quality piece to the point of me buying three for my sons as Christmas gifts. They are happy... I have plenty of pre-80's, 70's, 60's... rifles. These Mauser made me appreciate the "new" build. I bought one as well from Impact Guns. Made in Germany and I really like the rifle overall. The bolt is cheaper and the barreled action is not stainless, but it feels good, is very accurate and quite shallowly it looks good!
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Call me the anti Christ but the new Winchesters seem pretty good to me. I can deal with a Tikka here and there as well. I just don’t believe the sky has fallen that hard just yet. I know it ain’t great but stuff is around if you look. For a reason I can't really explain, I've been wanting to get a new model 70 featherweight in 22-250. Not sure why but I think they are cool. Gonna shoot that tikka tomorrow too!
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I like the winchester but, again, can't seem to find it order it around here.
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Call me the anti Christ but the new Winchesters seem pretty good to me. I can deal with a Tikka here and there as well. I just don’t believe the sky has fallen that hard just yet. I know it ain’t great but stuff is around if you look. For a reason I can't really explain, I've been wanting to get a new model 70 featherweight in 22-250. Not sure why but I think they are cool. Gonna shoot that tikka tomorrow too! I’d really love a Featherweight 22 Creed myself. Or an Ackley. I think that’d be a sweet rifle. Great, now you’ve got my wheels turning 
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I figured I could shoot it as is for a while, but when the mood strikes, I have a 7 twist bartlien propped up in the corner that could be turned down to a FW contour easy enough!
Just need to find one, no luck so far online
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Call me the anti Christ but the new Winchesters seem pretty good to me. I can deal with a Tikka here and there as well. I just don’t believe the sky has fallen that hard just yet. I know it ain’t great but stuff is around if you look. For a reason I can't really explain, I've been wanting to get a new model 70 featherweight in 22-250. Not sure why but I think they are cool. Gonna shoot that tikka tomorrow too! I’d really love a Featherweight 22 Creed myself. Or an Ackley. I think that’d be a sweet rifle. Great, now you’ve got my wheels turning Me too. I like the idea of a hot 22 featherweight. That thought has never occurred to me until now. Great….
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I figured I could shoot it as is for a while, but when the mood strikes, I have a 7 twist bartlien propped up in the corner that could be turned down to a FW contour easy enough!
Just need to find one, no luck so far online That’d be a stellar rifle. Same idea here. Almost grabbed one Classic from Perry County Firearms. I lagged.
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