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Intentionally gut shooting any animal is the mark of a perverted sadist.

Well, maybe with an RPG it's OK.... smile


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Originally Posted by hanco
[mThank you, had no clue they were that widespread, nasty bastards, Turkey vultures probably ain’t no better, but just don’t like the black ones.


The general consensus seems to be that Turkey vultures ain’t near the problem to livestock that black vultures are.

Here in San Antonio black vultures have become a big problem at the zoo, perching around the open enclosures in large numbers. No animal depredations I’m aware of, prob’ly taking feed and eating feces.

Recently they’ve spread north enough to turn up around my sister’s heritage breed sheep operation in NY State, I’ve warned her, prob’ly gonna take an incident before she takes me seriously.


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Me too

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Park Service has been doing that for years in the Smokey Mountains. Pay some kids just out of college to shoot them and leave them lay. Guns and nightvision legally in a federal Park? Hell yeah!!!
In March 2010 a Georgia game warden was accidently shot by being mistaken for a coyote. He was apparently prone and watching some hunters who were predator hunting using night vision or thermal imaging optics.

My neighbor mounted an ATN on his rifle and I could see hogs easily at 200+ yards but could not swear they were hogs. It had the side effect of messing up my night vision for several minutes. I stick with my motion detector light and bait and do not invite people of unknown ability to come shoot hogs.


I remember when that happened, only a few miles from the house.

We have some hogs in the 500lb range, bump into them a couple times a year. Can be a little unnerving with a turkey gun in your hand. Nothing I can load and really haul off, especially by myself, and I dont want them laying dead in my food plot during deer season while they rot away although I know coyotes can make quick work of smaller ones. I have certainly contemplated shooting the real big ones in the gut and letting them run off. It wouldnt bother me one bit. I saw the top of a big tree shaking about 75 yards inside the woodline one morning off a powerline, few minutes later a cowsize hog walked out. They have no place in nature.

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Now cats I can understand that….

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We BS on about correct shot placement and accountability for anything that comes out of a rifle barrel, but have no problem spraying a load of 00 buck at game or No.4 shot at birds.


We? You got a mouse in your pocket?


I only understand some of your posts dan and that includes back when you were still on accurate reloading.


Good memory? Haven't been on AR in over a decade, closer to to two actually.

0+0 = 0 That's what 00 Buck is good for. -Hint-
#4 shot? Goose is dead.

Perhaps your knowledge of shotguns/patterns is deficient?

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Not gut shot.


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Originally Posted by killerv
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Park Service has been doing that for years in the Smokey Mountains. Pay some kids just out of college to shoot them and leave them lay. Guns and nightvision legally in a federal Park? Hell yeah!!!
In March 2010 a Georgia game warden was accidently shot by being mistaken for a coyote. He was apparently prone and watching some hunters who were predator hunting using night vision or thermal imaging optics.

My neighbor mounted an ATN on his rifle and I could see hogs easily at 200+ yards but could not swear they were hogs. It had the side effect of messing up my night vision for several minutes. I stick with my motion detector light and bait and do not invite people of unknown ability to come shoot hogs.


I remember when that happened, only a few miles from the house.

We have some hogs in the 500lb range, bump into them a couple times a year. Can be a little unnerving with a turkey gun in your hand. Nothing I can load and really haul off, especially by myself, and I dont want them laying dead in my food plot during deer season while they rot away although I know coyotes can make quick work of smaller ones. I have certainly contemplated shooting the real big ones in the gut and letting them run off. It wouldnt bother me one bit. I saw the top of a big tree shaking about 75 yards inside the woodline one morning off a powerline, few minutes later a cowsize hog walked out. They have no place in nature.


Gut shooting on purpose is sick. Period.

A turkey gun with a turkey load will stop a 500 pound pig easily.

Night. Day. Thermal. You still have to identify your target.

Only idiots would shoot at a shape.

I am down to thermal only for hogs. yeah it messes with your vision a bit. Nothing that I can't get used to. Many worse things in life than dealing with that, for all the positive trade offs thermal gives.


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I have groups of guys down all the time to my land, rules, kill everyone you see, if you can't use it we will dig a big hole and cover it up when done

Everyone? Dang, wouldn’t want to be around there when they are hunting! lol Or did you mean every one? :-)



everyone means hogs, everyone one if those dam things

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Originally Posted by steveredd1
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I have groups of guys down all the time to my land, rules, kill everyone you see, if you can't use it we will dig a big hole and cover it up when done

Everyone? Dang, wouldn’t want to be around there when they are hunting! lol Or did you mean every one? :-)



everyone means hogs, everyone one if those dam things



Why would you bury a dead hog?


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I'd argue with this comment. Better be up close and personal and in the head. Not exactly where I want to be with a 500lb pig. Heck, I popped one in the ear with a 270 at 20yards, that was the maddest I've ever seen a boar hog. Still needed a follow up shot.

"A turkey gun with a turkey load will stop a 500 pound pig easily."

We've killed a handful with turkey loads in the 100-150lb range while chasing turkeys, we have found that if you pop one in the rib cage at 20yards or so, it will knock the air out of them and you can walk right up and finish them off. Easily on a 500lber, I doubt it.

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I will say, since our hogs moved in, the amount of rattlesnakes we see has decreased tremendously.

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[quote=stxhunter]Buzzards are on them in Burnet ten minutes after you shoot one. I’m talking hundreds of them. Rancher tries to calve about now, no black buzzards, a few Turkey bastards, that’s all.

How far north do buzzards go in the summer. Black buzzards didn’t show up until about ten years ago


Black vultures don’t move around much, they actually live in related social groups, they are heavier than turkey vultures and not as good at soaring without strong thermals. Given strong thermals they soar higher and faster than Turkey vultures. They are spreading north and increasing in many places, even in the South.

Right now they are found as far north as Southern NY/Southern New England and Southern PA across to S. Arkansas, SE Kansas and the Eastern 2/3,of Oklahoma and TX. Also parts of S.Arizona. Still absent from most of the West.

Turkey vultures, being lighter in weight with longer wings can get by in cooler climates, in summer they are found across N.America to S. Canada, retreat to a range much like that of black vulture in winter. Being more solitary and able to locate carrion by smell, they are better at surviving in desert areas where there are fewer animals per unit area to provide carrion.

Both species have benefitted enormously from the establishment of our road network.


Does Beaver have an award for Understatement of the Year? wink

I've seen 3-4 turkey vultures on one squashed Belding's ground squirrel on the roads around here. That's a lot of activity for a less than 1 lb critter dead on the road. But, no doubt it helps the vultures on their migration north in the spring. Last year with the drought, we had quite a few more hanging around all summer. Maybe they "knew" more critters were gonna die?


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Originally Posted by killerv
I will say, since our hogs moved in, the amount of rattlesnakes we see has decreased tremendously.


That's not a good trade off imo.

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Originally Posted by killerv
I'd argue with this comment. Better be up close and personal and in the head. Not exactly where I want to be with a 500lb pig. Heck, I popped one in the ear with a 270 at 20yards, that was the maddest I've ever seen a boar hog. Still needed a follow up shot.

"A turkey gun with a turkey load will stop a 500 pound pig easily."

We've killed a handful with turkey loads in the 100-150lb range while chasing turkeys, we have found that if you pop one in the rib cage at 20yards or so, it will knock the air out of them and you can walk right up and finish them off. Easily on a 500lber, I doubt it.

I'll say it again. Easily. Up close it will kill. Of course some folks don't want to be close to pigs. I get it. I live with bears/moose etc... have been around pigs since little. A pig doesn't bother me any more than a bear would. No big deal really.

if a 270 in the head failed, then it was shot placement was way off, and or bullet choice sucked.

Whiled I've not shot a wild 500 pounder with a 22 I've shot quite a few between 250 and 275 ish and many less, with a sub sonic 22 in the brain. They flop.


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I have groups of guys down all the time to my land, rules, kill everyone you see, if you can't use it we will dig a big hole and cover it up when done

Everyone? Dang, wouldn’t want to be around there when they are hunting! lol Or did you mean every one? :-)



everyone means hogs, everyone one if those dam things



Why would you bury a dead hog?



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Originally Posted by killerv
I will say, since our hogs moved in, the amount of rattlesnakes we see has decreased tremendously.



I Rath have the rattlesnakes than the hogs

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I'd argue with this comment. Better be up close and personal and in the head. Not exactly where I want to be with a 500lb pig. Heck, I popped one in the ear with a 270 at 20yards, that was the maddest I've ever seen a boar hog. Still needed a follow up shot.

"A turkey gun with a turkey load will stop a 500 pound pig easily."

We've killed a handful with turkey loads in the 100-150lb range while chasing turkeys, we have found that if you pop one in the rib cage at 20yards or so, it will knock the air out of them and you can walk right up and finish them off. Easily on a 500lber, I doubt it.

I'll say it again. Easily. Up close it will kill. Of course some folks don't want to be close to pigs. I get it. I live with bears/moose etc... have been around pigs since little. A pig doesn't bother me any more than a bear would. No big deal really.

if a 270 in the head failed, then it was shot placement was way off, and or bullet choice sucked.

Whiled I've not shot a wild 500 pounder with a 22 I've shot quite a few between 250 and 275 ish and many less, with a sub sonic 22 in the brain. They flop.



a 270 at 20 yards in the ear, unless you were using blanks it should have gone down

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It did go down, but it wasnt quick like a gut shot! I'm being facetious.

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Originally Posted by steveredd1
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I will say, since our hogs moved in, the amount of rattlesnakes we see has decreased tremendously.



I Rath have the rattlesnakes than the hogs


I agree

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Originally Posted by killerv
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Originally Posted by killerv
I will say, since our hogs moved in, the amount of rattlesnakes we see has decreased tremendously.



I Rath have the rattlesnakes than the hogs


I agree



but hogs will put a hurting on rattlesnakes and cotton mouths, there not even shy about it, watched a hog walk right up to a cotton mouth and eat it

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