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To answer a few questions:
Bought used about 20 years ago. It is a NY rifle.
Been through the pre flight and Montana Tinkering threads as well as rebedding.
Would rebore but looking to go smaller with this, leaning towards a 7-08 since I don't have one.
Knock Leupolds all you want but these scopes have been on other rifles where they were proven and have gone on to others where they still work. Same with mounts.
As stated I have been tinkering with this for about 15 years and after exhausting anything I could think of to do wanted to get any other easy/cheap suggestions before buying a new barrel.
Don't remember if I had ever run the borescope down this tube before but after doing it realized the barrel is crap. The pics are just a few representative shots, the bore looks like that from one end to the other.

Thanks for the tips and suggestions, it's rebarrel time!


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Don't second guess a new premium barrel. Absolutely nothing wrong with upgrading the barrel regardless. I had a gunsmith tell me once "you can make a good gun shoot great, but you'll never make a bad gun shoot good."

You're not going to turn a 2" gun into a 1/2" gun with stupid tweaks unless something was seriously wrong like broken scope, rings, or loose screws, etc.

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Certainly no metallurgy phd here but the interior of the barrel looks as though it has inclusions of some sort. If that is the case, and is the downstream cause of your accuracy issue, you’re headed toward a new barrel.


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Looks like classic rust damage to me


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I guess I lucked out with my Montana I bought used on the campfire a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Judman
LarryO probably isn’t the best advice giver…. Nothing like spending over a grand snd having to fuuck with it… 😂

Bout like buying a brand new rig with the check engine light on. 😎👍😘

I've never understood the Kimber thing... they aren't cheap and you buy it brand new *knowing* it's a project. I would say I don't understand why Kimber didn't just address some of the issues, but that answer is easy: because people buy them anyway.

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Originally Posted by clockwork_7mm
Originally Posted by Judman
LarryO probably isn’t the best advice giver…. Nothing like spending over a grand snd having to fuuck with it… 😂

Bout like buying a brand new rig with the check engine light on. 😎👍😘

I've never understood the Kimber thing... they aren't cheap and you buy it brand new *knowing* it's a project. I would say I don't understand why Kimber didn't just address some of the issues, but that answer is easy: because people buy them anyway.


For sure, never understood it myself


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Originally Posted by raghorn
Looks like classic rust damage to me


Bingo. I’ve been happy with pacnor/Lilja/rocks on Kimbers.

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Yeah I know, I know but it's pretty and she likes it.
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Originally Posted by Blacktailer
Yeah I know, I know but it's pretty and she likes it.
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Awesome pic! 👍

Time to put a new snout on it.


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Originally Posted by Blacktailer
Yeah I know, I know but it's pretty and she likes it.
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You mean she shot that with a Kimber? No way! She must have been sitting right on top of it because you can't hit the broadside of a barn at 10' with a Kimber. whistle

That's a nice one, she did a great job.

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I'm convinced! Any gunsmith recommendations? Would like to find someone in AZ that I can collaborate with on this but open to suggestions.


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What barrel ya goin with?


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Originally Posted by Blacktailer
Yeah I know, I know but it's pretty and she likes it.
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Yeah, that’s worth 700 bucks.
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Get that woman a new barrel - post haste!

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Did a way back purchase on a new Kimber 84 Varminter in 204 Rug. Nice looking rifle.

Had a card hanging off the trigger guard when I got it that said SUB MOA GUARANTEE. Gave me a warm tingling inside.

It did shoot SUB MOA ~ of a barn door. All the usual stuff tried to correct it ~ Throwing $300 in fixes at a $1000 dollar box gun, Meh whatever, had to try.

Nothing helped, until I dropped a PAC-NOR SuperMatch barrel on it. Awesome rifle now.

I caught a bad Proof Carbon barrel on a build. Jammed through everything imaginable to correct that as well. The builder came to the same conclusion, that it was just a bad barrel. New Proof slapped on the build, made it the shooting demon it was supposed to be.

Figure if you touch enough rifles, you will eventually find a lemon or two. While most can be corrected with fundamental changes, proper bedding, scope rings/bases, solid optics and tweaking loads. Sometimes the tube is just a hoser, and needs to be made gone.

I feel bad for the occasional rifle buyer, who hits the bad luck lottery on a rifle they had been wanting to own for a long time.

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Originally Posted by Judman
What barrel ya goin with?

What I would like to do is find a good smith and see which one he likes.


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Originally Posted by Beaver10
Did a way back purchase on a new Kimber 84 Varminter in 204 Rug. Nice looking rifle.

Had a card hanging off the trigger guard when I got it that said SUB MOA GUARANTEE. Gave me a warm tingling inside.

It did shoot SUB MOA ~ of a barn door. All the usual stuff tried to correct it ~ Throwing $300 in fixes at a $1000 dollar box gun, Meh whatever, had to try.

Nothing helped, until I dropped a PAC-NOR SuperMatch barrel on it. Awesome rifle now.

I caught a bad Proof Carbon barrel on a build. Jammed through everything imaginable to correct that as well. The builder came to the same conclusion, that it was just a bad barrel. New Proof slapped on the build, made it the shooting demon it was supposed to be.

Figure if you touch enough rifles, you will eventually find a lemon or two. While most can be corrected with fundamental changes, proper bedding, scope rings/bases, solid optics and tweaking loads. Sometimes the tube is just a hoser, and needs to be made gone.

I feel bad for the occasional rifle buyer, who hits the bad luck lottery on a rifle they had been wanting to own for a long time.

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All true. My last 4 barrels are Pac-Nor, PN, PN, and Bartlein and have all been rock stars. I’m due for a dud. It’s lucky I’ve been getting good ones, because I’ve been doing my own chambering, so I would’ve suspected an error on my end over the likelihood of a bad high-end barrel.

What happened to me was kind of the opposite. The PN tube on my short-action “Sendero Lite” 7 WSM build, the 2nd rifle I chambered after my .223AI, is an astonishingly good barrel. I swear it even corrects my called flyers, lol.... I’d heard of barrels this accurate, but never experienced it. That’ll ruin you for just “good”.


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Originally Posted by Judman
Originally Posted by Blacktailer
Yeah I know, I know but it's pretty and she likes it.
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Awesome pic! 👍

Time to put a new snout on it.


I totally disagree. I think she has a very pretty nose. Meany.


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Originally Posted by Judman
Originally Posted by clockwork_7mm
Originally Posted by Judman
LarryO probably isn’t the best advice giver…. Nothing like spending over a grand snd having to fuuck with it… 😂

Bout like buying a brand new rig with the check engine light on. 😎👍😘

I've never understood the Kimber thing... they aren't cheap and you buy it brand new *knowing* it's a project. I would say I don't understand why Kimber didn't just address some of the issues, but that answer is easy: because people buy them anyway.


For sure, never understood it myself



At over a dozen kimbers owned, not one has needed tuning in any way.


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