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Re: 16 vs 18 local_dirt #15282483 10/04/20
Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 21,965 Likes: 11 Clinging to our God and Guns Dillonbuck Campfire Ranger
Dillonbuck Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 21,965 Likes: 11 Clinging to our God and Guns	That's why I posted if I built one it would be 18" no muzzle device. All the gain, no extra length added by something I don't need. JMO Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!

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Re: 16 vs 18 dassa #17004628 02/26/22
Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,971 Likes: 5 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger
10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,971 Likes: 5 Missouri	Tagged. Trying to decide whether to go 16 or 18". 18 with no device sounds like a decent idea. I actually have 1 of each in my cart w PSA. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: 16 vs 18 MontanaMan #17004724 02/26/22
Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 14,780 Likes: 5 Tyrone Campfire Outfitter
Tyrone Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2015 Posts: 14,780 Likes: 5	Originally Posted by MontanaMan The CLE chamber is virtually the same as a 223 chamber so be careful what you put into it; & the accuracy gain over the Wylde based on the chamber alone, it not a deal breaker/deal maker for any except genuine very high precision shooters in competition, & maybe not even then. IMO. The SAAMI chamber can shoot, but it usually has something like a 3 degree angle on the rifling lead and the CLE is 1.5 degree. All else being equal, the CLE shoots VLD bullets better than the SAAMI. I'm getting rid of a Krieger with a SAAMI. It would never shoot anything more exotic than a Sierra 77MK. Politics is War by Other Means

Re: 16 vs 18 TWR #17020605 03/03/22
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,168 Likes: 16 Wyoming JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter
JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,168 Likes: 16 Wyoming	Originally Posted by MontanaMan Advantages & disadvantages are whatever you perceive them to be. Some of the differences are that the 16" gun will be a little more nimble to handle, it will have more muzzle blast, given the same barrel profiles, the 16" will be lighter & will give up about 80 FPS of velocity with the same loadings as the 18" Even though the guns are generally heavier, IMO & for my tastes, the 18" guns tend to balance & point better for me than the shorter guns, at least to a point. The 16" & 14.5" guns feel considerably more nimble to handle especially are vehicle & are easier to move around with. Wylde chambers are available in most any length, depending on the barrel maker. Choices are highly dependent on your intended use & personal preference. MM Originally Posted by TWR 16" loud and almost 100 fPS slower than an 18" But all I own are 16's There are ways to make 16 inches less loud. John Burns I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.

Re: 16 vs 18 dassa #17020878 03/03/22
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TWR Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,194	But now they're not 16" are they... I can tolerate 16's, 18's are easier but if I was to run a can, it'd be on an 11.5" SBR Last edited by TWR; 03/03/22.

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Re: 16 vs 18 Tyrone #17020921 03/03/22
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,664 Likes: 2 MontanaMan Campfire Ranger
MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,664 Likes: 2	Originally Posted by Tyrone Originally Posted by MontanaMan The CLE chamber is virtually the same as a 223 chamber so be careful what you put into it; & the accuracy gain over the Wylde based on the chamber alone, it not a deal breaker/deal maker for any except genuine very high precision shooters in competition, & maybe not even then. IMO. The SAAMI chamber can shoot, but it usually has something like a 3 degree angle on the rifling lead and the CLE is 1.5 degree. All else being equal, the CLE shoots VLD bullets better than the SAAMI. I'm getting rid of a Krieger with a SAAMI. It would never shoot anything more exotic than a Sierra 77MK. What VLD's can you load to mag length? MM

Re: 16 vs 18 TWR #17021110 03/03/22
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,168 Likes: 16 Wyoming JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter
JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,168 Likes: 16 Wyoming	Originally Posted by TWR But now they're not 16" are they... I can tolerate 16's, 18's are easier but if I was to run a can, it'd be on an 11.5" SBR 12.6 with middy gas and pinned/ welded 4 inch core is money. One stamp and none of the extra SBR travel restrictions. John Burns I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.

Re: 16 vs 18 TWR #17021666 03/03/22
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska	Originally Posted by TWR But now they're not 16" are they... I can tolerate 16's, 18's are easier but if I was to run a can, it'd be on an 11.5" SBR 2 inches of noise and barrel has never seemed to be that much to me. But I'm totally with you on the short barrel and can. Working on a folding stock and SBR to 10 inch range with a suppressor for the wifes truck gun one of these days. Will defer but why 11.5 inches instead of 8 or 10? I'm not overly concerned on speed. Its a short range 300 yard weapon for the most part. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 16 vs 18 dassa #17021915 03/03/22
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TWR Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,194	Because Colt 6933’s (11.5”) are as reliable as they get and keeps velocity in a useable range while giving you plenty of hand guard to hold on to. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100344068?pid=161755 Last edited by TWR; 03/03/22.

Re: 16 vs 18 dassa #17021950 03/03/22
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boatboy Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 8,616 Midland Michigan	Tag Thank You Lord for another day,Help my Brother along the way When you mature,you realize hospitals and schools are businesses,and the Beatles were geniuses Live Like A Champion Today NRA EndowmentLife Member,My Daughter is also a Life Member

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Re: 16 vs 18 TWR #17022333 03/03/22
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,168 Likes: 16 Wyoming JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter
JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,168 Likes: 16 Wyoming	Originally Posted by TWR Because Colt 6933’s (11.5”) are as reliable as they get and keeps velocity in a useable range while giving you plenty of hand guard to hold on to. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100344068?pid=161755 Middy gas is significantly quieter at the shooters ear when suppressed. Middy gas is more reliable than carbine gas if dwell time is proper addressed. Carbine gas is loud at the shooters ear with any suppressor. When the suppressor slides into the handguard ID you can have any length handguard your heart desires. Win Win. Last edited by JohnBurns; 03/03/22. John Burns I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.

Re: 16 vs 18 dassa #17022405 03/03/22
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TWR Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,194	You’ve missed again.

Re: 16 vs 18 TWR #17022879 03/04/22
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska	Originally Posted by TWR You’ve missed again. define the weakness in the miss. Longer gas systems always seemed the best idea if you had that much barrel. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: 16 vs 18 dassa #17023371 03/04/22
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TWR Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,194	Dwell time, cut out 2" of barrel past the port and you have to change port size or add a can to increase pressure. The carbine system on the 6933 is in the sweet spot for reliability. I also want a FSB for durability and so my little fingers don't get too far out near the muzzle.

Re: 16 vs 18 dassa #17023396 03/04/22
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MontanaMan Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 23,664 Likes: 2	Kinda depends on the use of the gun. MM

Re: 16 vs 18 dassa #17023477 03/04/22
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David_Walter Campfire Ranger D Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 17,474 Likes: 3	Adjustable gas blocks are a thing for a reason. “Live free or die. Death is not the worst of evils.” - General John Stark.

Re: 16 vs 18 10gaugemag #17023710 03/04/22
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killerv Campfire Tracker K Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 4,584 Likes: 3 Middle Ga	Originally Posted by 10gaugemag Tagged. Trying to decide whether to go 16 or 18". 18 with no device sounds like a decent idea. I actually have 1 of each in my cart w PSA. Nice thing about an upper, you can have a nice lower and an upper of each, get what you are leaning towards now and the other upper later. I really enjoy my 18in with rifle system for hunting and bench shooting. My 16s are more for plinking, truck gun, and walking around the woods. Last edited by killerv; 03/04/22.

Re: 16 vs 18 David_Walter #17023731 03/04/22
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TWR Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,194	Originally Posted by MontanaMan Kinda depends on the use of the gun. MM Yes and I’m sure mine are gonna be different than some, more of a truck gun use. Originally Posted by David_Walter Adjustable gas blocks are a thing for a reason. I want a fixed front sight base for a reason too. Y’all can build whatever you want but I’ve not seen any reason to change the 6933 for my uses. They just work better than I ever imagined.

Re: 16 vs 18 TWR #17024505 03/04/22
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,168 Likes: 16 Wyoming JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter
JohnBurns Campfire Outfitter Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 12,168 Likes: 16 Wyoming	Originally Posted by TWR Dwell time, cut out 2" of barrel past the port and you have to change port size or add a can to increase pressure. The carbine system on the 6933 is in the sweet spot for reliability. I also want a FSB for durability and so my little fingers don't get too far out near the muzzle. Well you have read about the 6933 on the internet but you have never actually owned one? Interesting. How could you you get your fingers out near the muzzle of a suppressed 11.5? Also my point is that a dedicated 12.5 middy with a proper port size for running suppressed is money. Buying a 6933 that is gassed for shooting without a suppressor is going to be very overgassed when suppressed. Originally Posted by TWR 16" loud and almost 100 fPS slower than an 18" But all I own are 16's Originally Posted by TWR But now they're not 16" are they... I can tolerate 16's, 18's are easier but if I was to run a can, it'd be on an 11.5" SBR So if you were to run a can, which means you are not running and do not have a can, it would be an 11.5 which you also don't have? How are you determining the 6933 is a optimal setup for suppressors if you don't have a suppressor or a 6933? I am a bit confused by your responses. John Burns I have all the sources. They can't stop the signal.

Re: 16 vs 18 dassa #17024527 03/04/22
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TWR Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 10,194	I’m not surprised your confused.

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