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It’s going to be interesting. Used pickups go from sky high prices to give away prices. People may end more upside down on their loans for the stupid high used truck prices than new trucks will.

Plus the auto manufacturers put most their eggs in the full size truck/ suv market. They may have to do some quick adapting.

Me.

I will burn about 9k gallons this season. Big chunk of change compared to what we have been paying.

Well it's pretty simple actually... In simplified terms, They skim (steal) the income from the middle class, Condensing it into fewer and fewer hands creating an ultra rich class... Which desroys the quality of life for the middle class... Moving them down the ladder...

Me thinks having a garden, some critters to eat and a shop to stay busy in.....all beyond walking distance from the urban hell, is about as close to happy as one will be able to stay

Those trapped in the democrat nests are gonna really have a hard time.

ouch

Can someone show me where the number of middle class decreased by X and an corresponding increase in lower class or is the middle class shrink because upper class is growing?

It will have to get MUCH worse for anything to slow down. We have seen a large increase in tourism here. Boats, tractors, utvs, atvs, and campers are flying off the shelves... in the light of a constructed "pandemic", unemployment, etc.
Compared to almost any other citizen in any other country, US citizens are filthy rich, even those on gov assistance and minimum wage.
Observe how many Europeans, South Americans, Africans, etc have 2019 or newer vehicles, boats, campers, jet skis,and atvs in their driveways. Many do not own a car, much less toys. Hunters across the ocean may have one or two guns... many in the US have 10-20 or more. We prep for a possible apocolyptic event, they prepare to make itthrough next week.

Yeah my estimated fuel bill this season is gonna be about $40k at $4/gallon.

I get what you're saying - what I'm asking for is the quantified number. There were 100 poor, 250 middle class and 50 rich. Now there are 200 poor, 150 middle class and 50 rich to ultra rich.

Or - as some have offered, the reason why the middle class has lost quite a few in that number - it's more like 75 poor, 200 middle class and 125 rich. People aren't moving down as much as they're moving up yet defining themselves inaccurately. Lots of "poor" people with 1k iPhones and "middle class" with vacation homes, multiple vehicles and boats too.

I'm trying to find actual numbers showing a 10 year comparison between the 2.

Anecdotally - most people I've seen "move up" even within the various strata in lower, middle and upper middle class - they're always spending like they're one level above.

NO ONE - regardless of class is going to refuse someone else handing them money for goods/services and so long as people (regardless of class) strive to spend like a level above, the person destroying the middle class is the middle class. (so to speak)

Yeah my estimated fuel bill this season is gonna be about $40k at $4/gallon.

I don’t deal with the public in my biz; I only work with other businesses. One of my customers does resell straight to the public. Another big one only sells to other businesses... point being... in the B-T-B world we are scrambling to raise prices as quickly as we can without killing demand. My material costs are skyrocketing; I simply have to raise the price on parts or I’m working too cheap. Then there’s just inflation in general. I gotta make more money, just to stay even.

These things take time. When Trump imposed tariffs on metals, my costs went up instantly. It took a year or so to gradually raise prices to compensate. Again... you can’t kill the golden goose- which is demand from the final consumers- which can happen if you raise prices too fast.

It sucks. It’s gonna get much worse, I’m afraid. We were already going to suffer some inflation from the actions of both Trump and Biden shoveling out pandemic money. Ukraine will make it that much worse. At some point, are people still gonna buy “stuff” they don’t actually need? One of my big customers provides parts and service for machines that are essentially hobbyist machines. I make a bunch of the parts, others are imported from Europe. I’m in direct competition with European machinists on these parts- ironically, mainly some dude in Poland. If he doesn’t raise his prices soon, I’m not sure what I’ll do. I expect he will. I don’t like making under $50/hr and some stuff I make is getting dang close due to metals skyrocketing. I just paid $238 for a length of bearing bronze that was $168 when I bought it last time a few months ago. I get 25 parts from the piece of material. Do the math... just from that, either me or my customer (both actually; we are splitting it for now) is making over $2 less per part. That’s about 4% of the retail price of the part- just from materials going up. I’ve been paying $168 for that bronze for years...

“May you live in interesting times”- old Chinese curse. They nailed it.

Traditionally high inflation kills the working class.
The wealthy have assets that inflate in value.
This is why Brandon slipped and called Peter Doocie a dumb bastard ," inflation is an asset." he said
Also inflation consumes debt, pay off fixed rate loans with inflated dollars, again the wealthy win

Restaurants have been tank'n for 2+ yrs.

And the more that tank out, the greater the captive audience for those that survive. We just a signed a lease for a 250 plus seater in the White Mtns. Ground up build up. Place will be a giant cash register. Just like the other 5. Re-opened the joints as soon as quarantine ended. Was real rough for a while when you couldn’t get anyone to work. Business reallly started blowing up again last summer. Big outdoor seating. Lack of competition. That trend is going to continue exponentially. Yeah, costs are up largely. But you adapt. People are paying for it. They won’t stop going out to eat and drink. Not till it’s end times. And even then…

I’ll be running kitchens till the nukes hit. And I promise you asses will be in the seats when they do. It’s just human nature.

I think a lot of these craft breweries are going to go under with the price of grain going through the roof. They already want more for a beer than some of their appetizers.