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Freezers are pretty full usually are oh and there's a few hundred head on the hoof for meat issues


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I have a rotating inventory of 20 quart jars of frozen chili and soups. Also have about 2 months of dehydrated food if it gets to that.


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Mine's to the brim... It's a biggie - #800 capacity, and I can't get more than a coupla pounds into it right now..


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Originally Posted by Houston_2
When I go to their 4patriot.com website the page comes up but remains blank for some reason . I’m going to keep trying. I like what you’ve posted here.on it.Thanks again.

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Canned fish
1 teaspoon salt
2 tablespoons vegetable oil
Pint jar filled within 1 to 1.5 inches of the top
Cook in pressure cooker @ 15 pounds of pressure for 75 minutes

I used this recipe exclusively for northern pike. When you pressure cook northerns it dissolved the bones. Most of the time I mixed miracle whip and mustard with the canned fish and used it for making sandwiches. It was way better than tuna. I used this fish up to two years after making it and it was still good.

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Canned fish
1 teaspoon salt
2 tablespoons vegetable oil
Pint jar filled within 1 to 1.5 inches of the top
Cook in pressure cooker @ 15 pounds of pressure for 75 minutes

I used this recipe exclusively for northern pike. When you pressure cook northerns it dissolved the bones. Most of the time I mixed miracle whip and mustard with the canned fish and used it for making sandwiches. It was way better than tuna. I used this fish up to two years after making it and it was still good.




I’m going to copy this down - we’re inundated with Northerns here in Champlain & never keep them because of the Y bone issue when I try to fillet. Never thought of pressure cooking them makes great sense. What size Mason jars did you use?

(Wonder what else I’ve never thought of hmmm)

That said - prepped solid here as are many Vermonters for various reasons. The independent streak runs very strong here.

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Here in EP, I'm likely screwed if a prolonged shortage hits the US/TX. I have limited space, but my 2 small freezers (~8 cu ft) are pretty well packed, though I have a bit of room left. I have about 30 lbs. of beef (roasts/ground) & 10 lbs of chicken in the freezer. I also have frozen fish/shrimp, bread, bacon, sausages, canned and frozen vegetables, 25 lbs. of rice, various canned goods including meats/fish, salt, spices, dry goods: cornmeal, beans, lentils, split pea, pasta, etc. - almost as much as I can store in my limited space. I also have 2 10'x20' storage spaces, but it gets way too hot in them to store foodstuffs. This past Saturday, I spent $300.00 at Costco stocking up. Next run to Costco I'll get a giant bag of flour and more canned goods. My plan is to have enough food stored here for me and my daughter when the shortage becomes untenable, b/c I know my ex has made no preparations at all.

Unfortunately, I was unable to lay in any venison, wild hog or turkey this year since my buddy sold his ranch - a sad deal, but another story entirely. At least he still has his lake house if he finds he must escape the big city.

Brother in Big D has begun to make some decent preparations at the folks house since they have an acre of land, but he has a long way to go. So far he's put in a chicken coup w/ 6 chickens, which started laying a few weeks ago and he's covered up in eggs now - he's had to start giving eggs away to family and friends. He put in a sizable (~60'x30') garden last year and he's already started planting. Fruit trees are a bit over 3 years old, so maybe they'll start producing this year. He needs to start accumulating canning gear, which I told him to do last year, and he also needs to start accumulating dry goods. I may advise him to put in a hog 'waller as well - there's plenty of space there and plenty of freezer room. Dad's got two Furman dual fuel generators and he's currently researching whole-house generators as well.

If worse comes to worse, I can always drive my daughter to Big D if I run out of food and there's one to be found here - provided he has made adequate preparations and provided I can lay in enough fuel to get there.

Not ideal, I know, but it's about the best I can do right now.

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We are full. Momma told me we bought a whole lamb, to be delivered in a few weeks, so I need to get some stuff moved around. Still have a bunch of grinding to do and some broth to make.

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I hate to throw a pall over the plans and efforts you boys are making but if a true food crisis does develop in this country, the President and politicians in D.C. will "requisition" your food supplies. All, of course, in the name of distribution to those millions of unprepared and "needy citizens" who have nothing to eat.

A gigantic, overwhelming Government Agency will be established and thousands of bureaucrats will be hired to fan out throughout America checking each house for stored food. Maybe call the Agency "FIFF," "Fairness In Food Forever." The politicians and bureaucrats are well aware that selfish, radical "preppers" all over the country have been storing tons of food for emergencies for years. Food that can when distributed correctly to "needy" people, save the lives of the needy, especially the children who are starving.

Anyone who resists will be declared "An Enemy Of The People," with subsequent punishment including "Elimination with Extreme Prejudice."

The food will be loaded into trucks, both refrigerated and regular, and each "willing, cooperative donor," will receive a ration book with coupons good for certain foods at the local FIFF warehouse to feed individuals and family members according to their needs as established by the FIFF bureaucrats. Probably be a "digital" ration book so the FIFF bureaucrats can make certain no one is a "non-patriotic" recalcitrant.

Of course, it will be for the overall good of the Country and FIFF will remain in place until the "crisis" is over... someday in the distant future.

Thinking that could not happen here? Now I know all you boys and girls are thinking, Ol' Leanwolf is letting his overly active, fertile imagination run away with him ... but something very similar has happened in this country before. It was called "Mandatory Rationing" during WW II, put into place by one of the 'Fire's great political favorites, FDR (Federal Deficit Roosevelt.) All over the Nation, people's homes were invaded by Government employees to count the foods people had, plus farm animals, etc. Then according to the foods counted by the bureaucrats the "tickets" in ration books corresponding to the foods counted, were removed from the ration books. You could not go to a grocery store and buy those items without the proper ration tickets.

I was only four years old when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor, but I remember a bureaucrat coming to our home and counting all the food we had including the many quart jars of canned food my mother had put up from our large garden. My mother and dad did not like it, but it was WAR!! and they were Patriotic. That's the way it was in 1942. The Government ordered: people obeyed.

Don't think that some form of this can't happen again.

FWIW.

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When I go to their 4patriot.com website the page comes up but remains blank for some reason . I’m going to keep trying. I like what you’ve posted here.on it.Thanks again.

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I have taken the time and money to provide for me and mine. I might be inclined to voluntarily share to a degree. Anything other than that is a threat. And will be dealt with accordingly.

A vast majority of folks have always lived with a social safety net under their lazy, and misguided arse. Not everyone is going to be happy with the choices they have made, it's not my goal to ease their burden with my sweat.
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Leanwolf , thankyou for telliung us that. I am not sure what I would do. Did they take any food from you??

As for me and my wife , we re not buying too much meat. We are buying a lot of flour and canned goods, and oil. We feel that it will last a lot longer that meat in the freezer. However, being in Wisconsin, we would be just fine in winter. I have however, finished my winters supply of wood and most of the winter of 2023 to 24 is in the back yard. When I started the winter wood last fall, a winters supply of wood was worth $1,000 of heat. Now, I look at it, and realize , it is now $2,000 worth of heat. That is concerning to me,

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Originally Posted by Teal
Talked to a farmer friend of mine. If gas was subject to the same increases in fertilizer - gas would be 17 a gallon right now.

I'd be curious to know -

1. Given how much food this country wastes and raw commodities it exports - is it really possible to go hungry or would we simply re-evaluate how we eat? Too many people buy "meals" and not "ingredients" - that is people are paying 20 bucks for a meal that they could get the ingredients for at 9 bucks and make themselves. So to speak.
2. Does a lack of fertilizer really mean no food? Lower yield doesn't mean they don't plant it completely - they may switch crops but the math will become supply/demand on new crop EVERYONE'S growing vs lower yield but higher supply/demand delta = more money on the other stuff.


Two years ago with the help of my local County Extension agent, I started a plan to lower my fertilizer input requirements. First, I planted a "pasture" mix of seed in a on going renovation of the pastures and eliminated fertilizers. Second, I and a neighbor contracted with three local dairy farms to spread their excess solid manure and slurry pond manure on our fields. I reduced my fertilizer input requirement by 30%. bean and corn yields were down 9 % from previous year. The second year I reduced my fertilizer requirements by 38% and the bean and corn yields were down 4.5% from the benchmark. Market fluctuation was factored out to compare apples to apples.

Now that I may have the fertilizer input under control, fuel prices may negate my efforts.


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Talked to a farmer friend of mine. If gas was subject to the same increases in fertilizer - gas would be 17 a gallon right now.

I'd be curious to know -

1. Given how much food this country wastes and raw commodities it exports - is it really possible to go hungry or would we simply re-evaluate how we eat? Too many people buy "meals" and not "ingredients" - that is people are paying 20 bucks for a meal that they could get the ingredients for at 9 bucks and make themselves. So to speak.
2. Does a lack of fertilizer really mean no food? Lower yield doesn't mean they don't plant it completely - they may switch crops but the math will become supply/demand on new crop EVERYONE'S growing vs lower yield but higher supply/demand delta = more money on the other stuff.


Two years ago with the help of my local County Extension agent, I started a plan to lower my fertilizer input requirements. First, I planted a "pasture" mix of seed in a on going renovation of the pastures and eliminated fertilizers. Second, I and a neighbor contracted with three local dairy farms to spread their excess solid manure and slurry pond manure on our fields. I reduced my fertilizer input requirement by 30%. bean and corn yields were down 9 % from previous year. The second year I reduced my fertilizer requirements by 38% and the bean and corn yields were down 4.5% from the benchmark. Market fluctuation was factored out to compare apples to apples.

Now that I may have the fertilizer input under control, fuel prices may negate my efforts.



That is smart of you. I always wondered if farmers were putting in too much fertilizer. The reason is , cause some inland lakes get full of weeds and some say it is run off from the farm fields. If you keep you fertilizer down 38%, and yield goes down only 4.5%, do you come out ahead? Another thing I was thinking, if it gets bad, we can stop making ethanol . I dont think field corn will make good bread and cereal , but it is edible. Have you ever heard of field corn being used for food?


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We will be okay. The Harvest Right is doing lots of loads for the mylar bags. The LEM 10 tray dryer is going with the Presto 8 tray dryer. We have a lot of canned fish. Still have half of a moose and lots of turkeys(4 X50lbs). We still have the pullets producing and bee season is coming on strong we put away five gallons of honey per year. Wife is going great guns and loves this stuff. Most of our stuff will be portable and we can get out to the sticks where I don't think that people will even come out looking for us. Kind of pissed at SW as they now will not sell us( I work pt in camping) reloading powder and primers. I have quite a few but really could use more. I probably need to start looking at building a large external antenna for my Realistic receiver to get news when it gets bad.

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Also, Teal mentioned a real good point when he mentions wasted food. This country wastes 30% of the food we buy. It is the biggest waste in our household. It drives me crazy but the wife buys a lot and some goes to waste. If we have a shortage on food, this will be the first thing America will have to do and then we will have enough, might not be plenty, however, there is hardly a person in this country that would be in need if they cut their food intake by 25%, including me. We could , consume 50% of the food and be just fine. Hard to believe , but it is true.


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Also, Teal mentioned a real good point when he mentions wasted food. This country wastes 30% of the food we buy. It is the biggest waste in our household. It drives me crazy but the wife buys a lot and some goes to waste. If we have a shortage on food, this will be the first thing America will have to do and then we will have enough, might not be plenty, however, there is hardly a person in this country that would be in need if they cut their food intake by 25%, including me. We could , consume 50% of the food and be just fine. Hard to believe , but it is true.


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Yes, our two freezers are full of beef, wild game, berries and vegetables. In addition, we can garden vegetables, beef and dehydrate fruits and vegetables. We also gather walnut, hickory and hazel nuts. Should we lose power I can generate electricity with a tractor PTO generator until diesel fuel can no longer be obtained. Water is readily available if no electricity to run well pump. There are several springs on the farms.

No electricity for lights, out come the lamps and lanterns. Six gallons of kerosene out in the shop to keep them lit.

No electricity or fuel to cook or heat, my backup is wood cook stove and wood stoves. No fuel for the chainsaw? Got that covered with two-man crosscut saws, bow saws and buck saws. No fuel to haul it? I got a team of horses and a wagon.


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Originally Posted by ribka
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/media-isnt-warning-you-america-careening-towards-food-crisis


Are people paying attention?

I have 3 deer, an elk and a lamb. Plus a bunch of frozen veggies. Canned fish and deer this past winter

No. I'm gonna wait until stuff is impossible to find at the price I want to pay, then blame all you hoarders for my lack of foresight.

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The lack of planning on your part doesn't constitute an emergency on mine. I pretty much already know who we'll help out and who we won't. With the price and scarcity of ammo there will be no more warning shots.


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