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give it hell gunner 500 can not wait on the story of your hunt . waiting on the edge of my fat boy chair lol

Hello 44mc, i missed this post, Thank You Sir.

And you bet, Africa ready, you best load up and go with me.

All good Sir Tony, i mean, all good except for the buffalo, 400 Hammer or 450 TSX, he'll be in a world of hurt, i'll do my very best to make sure it's over ASAP.

Gunner and all:
You are right on with the effectiveness of your loads. This 1886 45-90 pushing 450 grain North Fork FPS at 2150 fps shot through Cape Buff, actually several, and on a frontal brain shot, through an ele head and on into the body -- DRT.



You are not under gunned, but just right.

Sir Bob,
Keep us posted on any AA-2460 results. I have not tried it with 550- and 600-grainers.
Should do well.

I am still riding herd on a Flathead Hammer solid,
new application of a previous photo to illustrate my wants:



That bullet is 1.330" long and has 6 PDR locations.
Chop off the base flat and short, fill in the nose hole,
shorten and form the nose to proper FN meplat ...
Voila !
400- to 405-gr Flathead Hammer.
Either 6 or 7 PDR at 0.100" wavelength.
That'll do.

Sir Jerry has no chance of ballistic failure on safari with his .458 WM+.

Sir Tony says that if Kit Carson could've he would've had a .458 Winchester Magnum.

The abuse I put up with elsewhere can be turned into fun:

"Riflecrank

If you're not going to shoot those rifles fast with hammer bullets you might want to let your sister do it😁 You can probably use your moped helmet as a stunt shooter helmet🤔🤔🤔"

https://hammerbullets.boards.net/attachment/download/3444

To which I replied:

Ha ha.
There once was a guy who went by the handle "shootaway" at the Arab Anchor Baby's website.
shootaway was a French-Canadian and claimed to actually use a "shooting helmet."
He also physically and mentally resembled the Billy Bob Thornton character Karl Childers from "Sling Blade."
I think shootaway liked mustard on his bullets, not biscuits, for his .458 Lott,
because he claimed 50 shots would wear out a .458 Lott barrel.
Must have been the mustard ... or the JB Paste he scrubbed his barrels with religiously.



The product of bullet weight in grains times velocity in fps has units of grains-fps, a nontraditional unit for momentum
which is usually expressed as pounds-fps, or "pounds-feet" as Elmer would say it.
So "grains-feet" is converted to "pounds-feet" by dividing by 7000.
Other units for momentum include "kilogram-meter per second" and "slug-fps" with a slug = 32.1740 pounds in US customary units.

A 400-gr bullet at 2500 fps has 1,000,000 grains-feet of momentum. A million grains-feet !
A 450-gr bullet at 2222.2...fps has same.
A 500-gr bullet at 2000 fps has same.

They are all going to be about equally fun to shoot.
If these are nondeforming bullets of proper FN nose design, they are all going to penetrate well enough.

Finn Aagaard said a 500-gr bullet at 2000 fps will make a bloody big hole through anything,
referring to his experience with the .458 WinMag.

He and Phil Shoemaker also noted that the old 400-gr Barnes X-Bullet did as well or better than any of the then available 500-gr soft-nose/expanding bullets.
That was for penetration and disruption of artificial media AND for results on big game in the field.

The similarly designed 400-gr monometal copper bullet is going to be shorter, and inherently more stable for straight-line penetration than a longer bullet.
It might make up for in extra stability anything it might lack in weight, for FN solid performance.
And I won't even need a manbun helmet to shoot it.

Thanks Sir Ron, indeed, no failure with the Great 458 WM+, my little 12 twist FN 257 Weatherby is the only concern right now, 100gr TSX bullets for plains game up to Blue Wildebeest will be some heavy lifting for the little Mauser, i could alleviate all that by bringing my old pre-64 300 H&H with Lyman receiver peep guiding 220gr npt's, a great companion for the 458 WM+ .

Thanks CRS, good stuff with that '86, excellent bullets with great shooting get it done every time.

thanks for the offer gunner but my candy a$$ ain't getting back in a nother air plane

Gunner,
No real choice there. You already said it: "my old pre-64 300 H&H with Lyman receiver peep guiding 220gr npt's, a great companion for the 458 WM+"
F01

LOL, damn, ten four 44, one thing about it, if the bird falters one simply cant pull to the side of the road and get out..............................brings to mind back in the days of "one chute/one pistol!"

Fury, it would be a more than easy choice were the low bush veld not so thick up at that camp, it would be grand for a more open hunting area, just like the mighty sharps rifles on the Western plains, a 1000 yard open field with 50 black VW bugs parked about would make for some easy iron sight visibility and hunting, we all know we cant hit what we cant see, i still love those old receiver peep rifles, the 300 H&H goes with Africa like an ice cold Windhoek beer in the Boma after a long hot day in the sun.

Sir Allen,
I would only return to Africa for elephant.
I would go to Australia if I could cull a big bag of water buffalo.
I hate bribing and tipping every step of the way
and really prefer less of luxury camping and more of roughing it on my own say so.
Whatever happens, the .458 WinMag be there.

Funny how some say that the ".458 WM is inadequate"
and others say it is "overkill."
Both concepts are oxymorons.
If the crybabies cannot agree on that, the truth must be that the .458 Winchester Magnum is "just right,"
the Goldilocks rifle.

Well then Gunner, I wish you well and seeing through the brambles with your 257. Go with God and the mighty 458wm. Can’t go wrong with either.
F01

Thanks Fury, and yes, as Sir Ron just said, with the 458 WM+ being Goldilocks, i hadn't thought of it, but, with it's range of 300+ yards with a scope and 450gr TSX's at 2418+ fps and 500gr TBSS at 2350, a man could easily complete a safari with one rifle, all game, any angle, anywhere, from 1 to 325 yards.

A very loud: AMEN! from the choir boy...

Bob
ww.bigbores.ca

I would be good on a boat if I can hunt them somilling pirates on the way there

"If the crybabies cannot agree on that, the truth must be that the .458 Winchester Magnum is "just right,"
the Goldilocks rifle."

I agree on that. Neither too little nor too much., but just right.

My pet load is one that I call the .458 Winchester Torpedo with a Lehigh 528 grain Match Solid over 83 grains of H335 and a COAL of 4.22 inches. Velocity out of a Ruger #1 is 2186 fps. It only works in non-magazine rifles, obviously. Energy is 5603 ft/lbs.

Gunner
Yep the 458wm scoped can handle all your planned killin for you. The 300 hh and 220’s can be your walkabout partner. I can send you a box of 220 solids for it…

Fury, you bet, mighty 458 has it all covered, the old 300 H&H with solids would have me wanting to drill a Cape buffalo in the forehead LOL, how much you want for them? 220gr Woodleigh solids?

Thank You Sir.