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Damn, here's our 1000 yard steel gong load LOL, well done Maz,

220 Hornady solids. Copper over steel I think. Wdm Bell would love them. I’ll send them on a pay it forward deal. F01

LOL, hell of a deal Fury, and you can bet i'll pay it forward, many thanks Sir, you're gonna make me carry that receiver sighted 300 H&H just yet, it would be a no brainer if i were the type that would ask another to carry my spare rifle, alas i cant and wont even [tip] pay to have that done, were i the type, a quick grab of the mighty scope sighted 458 WM+ and any animal i couldn't get the irons from the 300 H&H would be in the salt!

If i take that 300 H&H and a big enough Cape Buffalo can be found and killed with the 458, you know i'm going to bust him in the hip with one of your solids and see how far they go, would be a hell of a deal if they went in at the back and gave a tracheotomy coming out the front.

Pm your address sir and I’ll get them mailed.

You got it, Thanks again Fury.

gunner we are going to need a lot of pics, of your killing spree . I got my beer & popcorn on stand by LOL

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The Maz,

You are Sir Maz here until you deny it.
Buy a donkey for returning to The Mission here at The Square Table.
I do recall your work, pressure tracing and all.
Is about Mach 2 with that bullet good for accuracy with a 1:14" twist ?
Subsonic use would require a faster twist.
But how would your load do in a 1:10 Twist ?
I gotta try that.

Your bullet:



And another one from Lehigh:

Sir Dennis,

Buy a donkey for your two cents at the other website..
I am starting to realize that intellectual inbreeding occurs often on the internet.
Good for some laughs is about all sometimes.

Sir Jerry,

A .300 H&H and a .458 WM+ is for sure a great combo.
A pair of 3.6" strokers is good.
Mine is the .375 WBY and .458 WM+.
My pair of 3.4" strokers would be the .300 WinMag and a .458 WinMag.

"Slug-jump" of C. Norman Brown's .35 Brown Whelen reamer at JGS = 0.095":
Zero parallel-sided free-bore, leade starting at 0.361" base X 1*00'00" leade semi-angle.

Find a .358-caliber bullet around 225-gr to 250-gr with G1 BC of about 0.420
and download/restrict the .35 W+ to about 2500-2600 fps MV
and VOILA !
Another set of ballistic training wheels for the .458 WM+ with 404-gr Shock Hammer,
and trainer is loaded for bear to boot.

The .35 Whelen loaded long (.35 W+) can exceed the net case capacity of the .35 Brown Whelen with same bullet,
since standard .35 Whelen gross case capacity = 73.3 grains (longer neck and narrower shoulder)
and .35 Brown Whelen gross case capacity = 78.0 grains H2O.
Both have max brass length of 2.494" and usual max COL 3.340".
The .35 W+ wildcat beats the .35 BW wildcat.

Thanks Men, i've already sent the check for the videographer, good or bad it'll all be on video, will have to get Sir Ron or our buddy Pacecars to try and post the shots and any recovered bullet pics for data base building ; ]

I have no doubts what the 450gr TSX will do to Buffalo leaving at 2418+ fps, cant remember if the guys over at the Hammer Bullet site have someone set up to try Sir Rons 400gr Hammer bullet creation, if not, i could give it a go to if i can find a big buffalo.

I'd love the see the 400 grain Hammer on a Buffalo 🐃

3.6 Strokers, i like that Sir Ron, a lot of good choices, 264 and 338 WM hulls are perfect light lifters for the 458 WM+ as well, a lot of good stuff from Ma Winchester in that era.

It would surely bring the pain buddy.

I was glad to read Bob's blog on the Whelen. I too have thought about that Traditions light swing along but I have my old Springfield 35 Whelen with a 25.5" heavy barrel, Lyman Peep or a Heinsoldt 4x G&H scope mounts in that caliber today. Bought it 20+ years ago here in KS as one of the last two rifles in an estate that nobody seemed to want. As all the Whelens were made back in the 50's it has a "wildcat" chamber, as there was no standard at that time. Mine is a bit long but once you get the brass fitted, it fired the Barnes 225 X original at 2821 fps using AA 2015. The load was and is too hot for the old girl so not recommending that. However, look at the modern powders on the Speer site for some very nice loads if your searching for velocity. Of course you have to find Alliant Varmint powder or their 2000 series, maybe CFE 223 to get it done.
I gave up searching for velocity in that faithful old friend and mostly shoot 280-290 Cast loads depending on alloy nowadays. I did load up some 250 Hornady sp's for Elk a couple of years ago but did not pull the trigger on one. She still takes her share of Whitetail just fine and 250 yards with Peep and BIG front sight work just fine for me. She fills the hand swinging along in the woods or over the prairie, both of us quite content.
I did buy a keg of AA 2460 this winter and plan on giving it a try in my 35 Whelen and in, of course, the Magnificent and wonderful 458 WM
Best regards,

Fury, that old Springfield sounds like a hell of a rifle, at dusk30 last night i sat a box up at 25 yards with a strip of black tape wearing a spray painted black dot on top, centered the old 300 H&H and gave it a gentle squeeze, center puched the tape, bullet landed around a half inch low of center on the ball, as i remember the trajectory of that rifle, that puts it at 3 inches high at 100, held 7 inches high and 6 inches into East wind of where i wanted the bullet to strike on my 300 yard gong, you guessed it, splat!................dead anything right there Sir, the 220gr partition leaves at 2750, that should handle any plains game animal if i can see it, even a big Eland or Zebra.

Sir Dennis,
Yep, the plain ol'vanilla .35 Whelen gotterdun for me on a couple of 300- to 350-pound boars at a Tennessee game farm.
One-shot-DRT-bang-flops,
I now see my error in ever fiddling with the .35 Brown Whelen ... unless I was to put a scaled-down .458 WinMag throat on it.
Then the .35 Brown Whelen would become worthwhile.
As it is, the SAAMI .35 Whelen throat is all you need.

Sir Jerry,

If you took the 404-gr Shock Hammer to Africa, you would need only one rifle.
FN Solid bullets always go along, of course, for the south-end shots on north-headed game.

If you want me to send you some 404-gr Shock Hammers, you have to swear on Knight's Honor to make
that bullet the first shot at a cape buffalo.
Don't go and shoot it with a 450-gr TSX by mistake.

This would mean another load work up for your rifle, just when you thought you were ready to go.
I would recommend keeping it simple by sticking to AA-2230 and for your rifle use 3.480" COL.
AA-2460 will do the job too.
80.0 grains of either is where you start.
Both will be close to 2500 fps in your 24" barrel.
Maybe 5 fps slower and 1000 psi lower pressure and a little bulkier fill with AA-2460.
You can work up from there, but might not need to change a thing.
Hornady and W-W Super brass are interchangeable.
F-215 and WLRM primers too.

Hammer Heads (bullets) do good work.

Sir Ron, indeed, the 458 WM+ with either bullet will be a point and shoot to 250+ yards when zeroed 3 inches high at 100, one rifle safari easy as pie, trouble is i sure like using other rifles i have for light game animals there, if i wind up taking the 400gr Hammers they'll be the only soft bullets i bring for the 458, so no chance of a mess up, i agree with the 500gr TBSS solids, they'll be along in case, also have plenty of 2460 for another quick load workup, this may be a fun deal.......................for research and observation of course.