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I had a 77 bicentennial 250 for several years, ran 100 gr corloks in it, hellava buck rifle, killed a couple bear with it too. Still regret letting than one go That’s what I’ve got.
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. I’ve killed some pretty good sized pigs with mine. Speed kills. Yeah...and because of you I had to try it.....it worked so good on pigs I had to buy a second .17 Remington as a dedicated pig gun! This one tipped the scale at a bit over #200 Very cool. Never had a 17 CF, but dang that looks like fun.
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So...a hole in the lungs is a hole in the lungs.
I am sure at some point a projectile would be too small in diameter to do enough damage, but it's far down the list from .224" An old friend of mine in Alaska killed 8 bull caribou and nearly 20 wolves with his 17rem and the 25 grain Hornady. I assumed headshots and he said oh no you just shoot them through the lungs and they’ll stiffen up and fall over. I’ve killed some pretty good sized pigs with mine. Speed kills. Mine is a coyote splat’n SOB but I have never tried to kill anything bigger with it, and probably won’t. It is stupid accurate though with the 25 Horns with absolutely no recoil.
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I likely won’t take it on a hunt for big game but I’ll continue to shoot pigs and other pests as they come.
In my buddies case, he carried it everyday in the winter to have something he could kill wolves with but not blow up foxes or lynx since he was selling hides. The caribou were opportunities when he or someone he knew needed meat and he came across them while making his rounds. Back in the 70s-80s when the Nelchina herd was big and the seasons and limits were liberal.
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So...a hole in the lungs is a hole in the lungs.
I am sure at some point a projectile would be too small in diameter to do enough damage, but it's far down the list from .224" An old friend of mine in Alaska killed 8 bull caribou and nearly 20 wolves with his 17rem and the 25 grain Hornady. I assumed headshots and he said oh no you just shoot them through the lungs and they’ll stiffen up and fall over. I’ve killed some pretty good sized pigs with mine. Speed kills. Mine is a coyote splat’n SOB but I have never tried to kill anything bigger with it, and probably won’t. It is stupid accurate though with the 25 Horns with absolutely no recoil. Bout like my 204 with 32’s, love it for cats and coyotes. Then you hear all the “run off” stories about the 17 rem and 204.. 🤦♂️😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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IF you like chasing wounded animals shoot them with small calibers. Plenty of asshats do. Never chase a wounded animal that i personally shot with anything bigger than a .223, just sayin partner I meant to say I've never chased a wounded animal that I personally shot with a .223 or larger.
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I know BC is important...but...
The same guys who geek out over the 6arc's 100 grain bullet at 2700fps, tell us the 250 savage sucks, with it's 100 grain bullet at 2900 fps...
I'd submit that bullet lateral drift from wind is more of a challenge to get right than bullet drop rate, by far! As I understand it, Ballistic Coefficient is ONLY pertinent to bullet lateral drift from wind. And B/C has nothing to do with the drop rate of a bullet, and nothing to do with how well the bullet penetrates.
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I know BC is important...but...
The same guys who geek out over the 6arc's 100 grain bullet at 2700fps, tell us the 250 savage sucks, with it's 100 grain bullet at 2900 fps...
As I understand it, Ballistic Coefficient is ONLY pertinent to lateral drift of bullet from wind. It has nothing to do with the drop rate of a bullet, and nothing to do with how well the bullet penetrates. ' You may have a bit of a problem here, depending on what exactly you mean.
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I know BC is important...but...
The same guys who geek out over the 6arc's 100 grain bullet at 2700fps, tell us the 250 savage sucks, with it's 100 grain bullet at 2900 fps...
I'd submit that bullet lateral drift from wind is more of a challenge to get right than bullet drop rate, by far! As I understand it, Ballistic Coefficient is ONLY pertinent to bullet lateral drift from wind. And B/C has nothing to do with the drop rate of a bullet, and nothing to do with how well the bullet penetrates. Maybe compare two of your favorites with Hornadys online Ballistic Calculator (its free and easy).. One of high BC and one of patched round ball variety at the same speed. I think it'll answer the questions.
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I know BC is important...but...
The same guys who geek out over the 6arc's 100 grain bullet at 2700fps, tell us the 250 savage sucks, with it's 100 grain bullet at 2900 fps...
As I understand it, Ballistic Coefficient is ONLY pertinent to lateral drift of bullet from wind. It has nothing to do with the drop rate of a bullet, and nothing to do with how well the bullet penetrates. ' You may have a bit of a problem here, depending on what exactly you mean. My understanding is that gravity causes a bullet to drop at a fixed rate but that the fps and efficiency of the bullet may allow it to travel further in that same timeframe. Mathman no doubt has a better grasp on it than me.
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I know BC is important...but...
The same guys who geek out over the 6arc's 100 grain bullet at 2700fps, tell us the 250 savage sucks, with it's 100 grain bullet at 2900 fps...
Who does this? I think the 6 arc will be cool and have a case of ammo waiting for a gun but my wife shoots a 250AI with 100gr nbts and it works great. Have I just missed those discussions or is that another hypothetical debate? I can’t imagine someone making fun of shooting deer with a250 and 100’s. That’s a heck of a deer killing round.
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And yes it's a "for instance," but a lot of our arguments here are similar.
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Lol….that’s kinda my point. He does that more for sport(if he actually has) than thinking a 6 arc kills better than a 250. That comment is just as hypothetical as the 361 pound deer of a lifetime about to get away
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BC has a lot to do with how fast a bullet drops vertically. It helps with wind too, for the same reason. Keeping its speed up for longer.
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BC has a lot to do with how fast a bullet drops vertically. It helps with wind too, for the same reason. Keeping its speed up for longer. Again, that depends upon what we're actually talking about.
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BC has a lot to do with how fast a bullet drops vertically. It helps with wind too, for the same reason. Keeping its speed up for longer. Again, that depends upon what we're actually talking about. True. I could be totally misreading Big 5’s comment here.
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223 bolt gun is as small of a caliber as I’ve ever used. My boy killed a deer broadside at about 40 yards with a 50grain GMX(DRT) and I head shot a doe at 108 yards with a 77 grain hollow point(don’t remember what bullet) and obviously DRT
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No doubt about anything you've said. Just nobody up here shoots little guns at big deer whether they may work or not. YMMV. Most of the people in Maine don't vote for Republican presidents, so what is your point? What does political affiliation have to do with how people hunt, what sorts of firearms they use, or what caliber those firearms are chambered for? It has a LOT to do with brains.
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I'm looking forward to more pearls of wisdom from someone about something they have never done. I bet you look forward to getting a pearl necklace too sock puppet. Gay talk out of the gate, no surprise.
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