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Language evolves.
Try to make sense of this:
Here bygynneth the Book of the tales of Caunterbury
Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote, The droghte of March hath perced to the roote, And bathed every veyne in swich licóur Of which vertú engendred is the flour; Whan Zephirus eek with his swete breeth Inspired hath in every holt and heeth The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne Hath in the Ram his halfe cours y-ronne, And smale foweles maken melodye, That slepen al the nyght with open ye, So priketh hem Natúre in hir corages, Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages, And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes, To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes; And specially, from every shires ende Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende, The hooly blisful martir for to seke, That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke.
Standard language in 1387.
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Not entirely germane. Medieval English was all over the map spelling and grammar-wise, and look what the result was. Everybody who put pen to paper had their own code, with no universality whatsoever. I've had to wade through crap like that and it's no joke. There's a very good reason Latin was the written language of scholars and scientists for over a millennia - no uniformity whatsoever in any other common language. It would seem in many respects that we haven't advanced all that much. Of course it’s not German, dumbass, it’s Middle English. Damn. P "The Germans Got Nutt'in Ta Do Wid It"... Jackie Gleason As Sheriff Buford T Justice in "Smokey And The Bandit"
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Language evolves.
Try to make sense of this:
Here bygynneth the Book of the tales of Caunterbury
Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote, The droghte of March hath perced to the roote, And bathed every veyne in swich licóur Of which vertú engendred is the flour; Whan Zephirus eek with his swete breeth Inspired hath in every holt and heeth The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne Hath in the Ram his halfe cours y-ronne, And smale foweles maken melodye, That slepen al the nyght with open ye, So priketh hem Natúre in hir corages, Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages, And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes, To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes; And specially, from every shires ende Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende, The hooly blisful martir for to seke, That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke.
Standard language in 1387.
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Not entirely germane. Medieval English was all over the map spelling and grammar-wise, and look what the result was. Everybody who put pen to paper had their own code, with no universality whatsoever. I've had to wade through crap like that and it's no joke. There's a very good reason Latin was the written language of scholars and scientists for over a millennia - no uniformity whatsoever in any other common language. It would seem in many respects that we haven't advanced all that much. Of course it’s not German, dumbass, it’s Middle English. Damn. P I don't know if your calling me a dumbass was tongue in cheek or for real. BUT, notice the "e" at the end of the word I used. Reading comprehension skills lost in the fog? Got a dictionary?
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So the question is, Can we all stop calling it the ".275 Rigby?"
I'm thinking, "Probably not." Treat it as if it were a knickname. Gadzooks! The things we get in an uproar about. Paul B.
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My personal take on this is that one should be able to call their firearms what they want. I call my 30-06s "Thirty Briar Light Magnum", unless I really want to put on airs in which case, I refer to them as "Seven-Six-Two by Sixty-three" I call my 25-06 a "Twenty-five Niedner" I'm thinking of calling my 7mm-08 a "Two-Seventy-Five Rigby- Ought Eight"
If Bruce Jenner can wear a dress, and call himself a woman, I should at least be able to name my deer rifles what I want.
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After centuries the damn Kiwi’s periodically have a vote on the design of the countries flag….yet some want to be the arbitrator on cartridge nomenclature.
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I recently just picked up a Ruger number one RSI in 7x57 or 7mm Mauser when I hear 275 Rigby it just sounds high end or snooty to me
I just shot the gun for the first time last week with my hand loads topped off with Hornady sst was very impressed with the rifle
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Probably the same reason a bunch of English majors call the 7mm Rem Mag, 270 Win, 30-06 Sprg, 243 Win etc, etc calibers.
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I have a rifle that is marked on top of the chamber as 275 Rigby.
Why would I call it anything else?
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Probably the same reason a bunch of English majors call the 7mm Rem Mag, 270 Win, 30-06 Sprg, 243 Win etc, etc calibers. When the caliber/cartridge "question" came up maybe 2-3 years ago on the Campfire, I posted a list of all the rifle/ammo companies that call it "caliber" on their websites--or "calibre" among British companies. The list was several dozen caliber/cartridges long--but a few of those have switched to cartridge on their sites since then.
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I have a rifle that is marked on top of the chamber as 275 Rigby.
Why would I call it anything else? Because if you asked for 275 Rigby (or 30 WCF for that matter) cartridges at most "ammo stores", you'd likely be met with a blank stare. I have see references calling it the .275 Rimless, .275 High Velocity, and the .275 Rimless Rigby. Also both "similar " and "identical" to the 7x57 Mauser. Whatever trips you trigger.
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Language evolves.
Try to make sense of this:
Here bygynneth the Book of the tales of Caunterbury
Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote, The droghte of March hath perced to the roote, And bathed every veyne in swich licóur Of which vertú engendred is the flour; Whan Zephirus eek with his swete breeth Inspired hath in every holt and heeth The tendre croppes, and the yonge sonne Hath in the Ram his halfe cours y-ronne, And smale foweles maken melodye, That slepen al the nyght with open ye, So priketh hem Natúre in hir corages, Thanne longen folk to goon on pilgrimages, And palmeres for to seken straunge strondes, To ferne halwes, kowthe in sondry londes; And specially, from every shires ende Of Engelond, to Caunterbury they wende, The hooly blisful martir for to seke, That hem hath holpen whan that they were seeke.
Standard language in 1387.
P
Not entirely germane. Medieval English was all over the map spelling and grammar-wise, and look what the result was. Everybody who put pen to paper had their own code, with no universality whatsoever. I've had to wade through crap like that and it's no joke. There's a very good reason Latin was the written language of scholars and scientists for over a millennia - no uniformity whatsoever in any other common language. It would seem in many respects that we haven't advanced all that much. Of course it’s not German, dumbass, it’s Middle English. Damn. P I don't know if your calling me a dumbass was tongue in cheek or for real. BUT, notice the "e" at the end of the word I used. Reading comprehension skills lost in the fog? Got a dictionary? Not to derail the thread (as if it was on rails to begin with), but I find it interesting that the invention and proliferation of the printing press had the effect of stabilizing spelling of the writen word during the days of Shakespeare. Enter the www...and now we see the language, written word, and general use of the English language diverging once again into chaos. It's a strange world.
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English has always been a flexible language, even more than most, especially "American English." Unlike some European countries, such as Germany, America doesn't have an official "board of geezers" who decide what is and isn't CORRECT.
Which is why Noah Webster based the first American English dictionary on "common usage." Which keeps changing....
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I guess it would be safe to say that only a "dead" language, like Latin, never changes.
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English has always been a flexible language, even more than most, especially "American English." Unlike some European countries, such as Germany, America doesn't have an official "board of geezers" who decide what is and isn't CORRECT.
Which is why Noah Webster based the first American English dictionary on "common usage." Which keeps changing.... One of Webster's motivations, and he made this very clear in his lectures and papers, was to standardise American English, across the country, eliminating regional differences. He was therefore very much one of those geezers.
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Whatever trips you trigger. I like it as it is the original designation that Rigby used on their stalking rifle. The rifle I had built was along those lines. Had it been another, more Germanic style rifle, I would have had it stamped 7x57 or 7mm Mauser.
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And now the new Rigby company is (delightedly I am sure) actually marking rifles with .275 Rigby, and making headstamped ammo! A friend of mine bought some of the 275 Rigby ammo. The brass was stamped Hornady 7x57. I got the box for the collection.
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It's been a great thread full of the esoterica that makes this such a fun hobby. Indeed, these nomenclatures should never change! Can someone help me with my old Model 70? It's just a "super .30" but the barrel stamp seems to leave me some options.
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