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Ego has nothing to do with it.
You're just talking out of your ass about things that you know nothing about and making stupid attacks on anybody that doesn't agree with your ignorance.
You need to stick to discussions about which Negro can run the fastest while holding a football.
That's about your speed. Busted Crystal Ball Gazer says what? The Ukraine military will put down their arms. Russia will occupy Ukraine to prevent the American government from rearming Ukraine and turning it into a puppet state that's hostile to Russia. Moldova and Belarus will someday petition to rejoin with Russia.
China and Russia will form an uneasy alliance in order to prevent western based globohomo from getting a foothold in the east.
A "new world order" has been established in the east.
The big problem for American will occur when the dollar loses world currency status,.....which is already in the works. I can keep rubbing your nose in your past posts if you enjoy such things.
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Over the next few days, weeks...will anyone be shocked to discover there is a war in a place called Ukraine...between the Russian Federation and NATO using Uke grunts. A war by proxy.
A war that is not going well for NATO. Will anyone be shocked to discover that 2 'retired' US officers are captured or killed or drowned in the bunkers beneath the Azovstal Metallurgical Facility in Mariupol? Will anyone be shocked to learn that NATO unity is a myth...with Turkey blocking the Bosphorus, not allowing warships in, specifically NATO minesweepers? This war is not going well. Those of you with blue and yellow pom poms may want to consider getting some white, blue and red pom poms (you can use em here 4th of July in case it all goes to schidt). I am wondering what kind of alternative reality you live in? The preponderance of evidence suggest the Ukrainians are kicking the absolute chit out of the Russians.
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The only reports I have seen are:
14 sailors returned by speedboat to Sevastopol
54 sailors rescued by a Turkish boat (though nothing confirmed by Turkey)
Complement around 510.
So, 450 sailors lost..
6-8ft waves at the time of impacts, so it would be difficult to get people off.
Russian Defense minister reportedly had another heart attack yesterday..
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Over the next few days, weeks...will anyone be shocked to discover there is a war in a place called Ukraine...between the Russian Federation and NATO using Uke grunts. A war by proxy.
A war that is not going well for NATO. Will anyone be shocked to discover that 2 'retired' US officers are captured or killed or drowned in the bunkers beneath the Azovstal Metallurgical Facility in Mariupol? Will anyone be shocked to learn that NATO unity is a myth...with Turkey blocking the Bosphorus, not allowing warships in, specifically NATO minesweepers? This war is not going well. Those of you with blue and yellow pom poms may want to consider getting some white, blue and red pom poms (you can use em here 4th of July in case it all goes to schidt). I am wondering what kind of alternative reality you live in? The preponderance of evidence suggest the Ukrainians are kicking the absolute chit out of the Russians. Time will tell of course. I suppose where one gets the 'news' has a lot to do with various viewpoints. I hope I am proved wrong...I hope that NATO does not have a clandestine leadership role in AFU military operations. I hope that Russian forces are as inept as some reports indicate. But it all boils down to the source for news, and how much we trust that source. Nobody my age that weekly scooted under a desk in drills at school to cover for a nuke strike is fond of Russia, or ever could be, so don't confuse my remarks as being pro Russian. All I am presenting for discussion is info that is not coming from the wire services.
Well this is a fine pickle we're in, should'a listened to Joe McCarthy and George Orwell I guess.
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I doubt it was a strike from a subsonic missile. I suspect it was bad ammunition handling practices and mistakes made by an overworked crew with an unrealistic and unsustainable op tempo pushed by officers who were themselves under the gun and facing similar pressures from above.
It is more likely that something similar to the Forrestal fire happened than anything else.
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I doubt it was a strike from a subsonic missile. I suspect it was bad ammunition handling practices and mistakes made by an overworked crew with an unrealistic and unsustainable op tempo pushed by officers who were themselves under the gun and facing similar pressures from above.
It is more likely that something similar to the Forrestal fire happened than anything else. Which one would actually be worse? Ineptitude of missile strike? With the exposed large surface-to-surface missiles it carries, it wouldn't take much to get secondary detonations from a missile hit.
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It was a Neptune missile strike is my bet, but the one in port in the Crimea was a poorly handled conflagration and not a Ukranian strike. If this war is showing us one thing is the Russians are a poorly trained and led paper tiger with mostly garbage weapons systems, then again no surprise to those of us who spent a long time assessing them and their weapons systems.
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I'm not sure what you're ranting about,...but from the article I linked:
Finland is heavily reliant on Russian gas and oil.
So exactly how am I wrong in saying that Finland likes Russian natural gas? Well I guess there ain't going to be any introspection. Here is the quote stream. Obviously the point was Putin was forcing Rubles payments for gas. Finland has said fu ck off with the intended NATO memebership. NATO membership has nothing to do with anything I mentioned. Why do you keep on ranting about NATO membership? Because NATO is a major issue with Russia and Finland is doing it in spite of their “ affinity “ for Russia’s gas. That’s why. Now spin it any way that you want, I don't "spin" anything. Finland buys Russian natural gas. Whether or not they join NATO has nothing to do with it. Lots of NATO countries buy Russian natural gas. Even America buys Russian oil,....a lot of it. 672,000 barrels a day throughout last year. The 3 Ukraine coksuckers in this thread arent worth the time Bristoe. They are too dumb to realize what is actually going on in the world and are so fast to side with the likes of Soros and some of the worlds most evil people. Nothing but a bunch of neocon fools who one day will be forced to wake up as to whats happening
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I doubt it was a strike from a subsonic missile. I suspect it was bad ammunition handling practices and mistakes made by an overworked crew with an unrealistic and unsustainable op tempo pushed by officers who were themselves under the gun and facing similar pressures from above.
It is more likely that something similar to the Forrestal fire happened than anything else. Which one would actually be worse? Ineptitude of missile strike? With the exposed large surface-to-surface missiles it carries, it wouldn't take much to get secondary detonations from a missile hit. Well, I don’t know. The Forrestal was incompetence at many levels, bad decisions, and pressure. Destroyers running into tankers and merchant ships in peacetime and nearly sinking was incompetence. A billion dollar ship burning itself into a rusty hulk at the pier was incompetence and maybe intent. The point? Incompetence isn’t limited to the US Navy and other navies have the same issues and more. The other point? [bleep] happens when you try to run 100 mph for weeks on end when your used to running 40 mph for a few days at a time. And that is something that happens to all navies, indeed all military forces and operations in any country, in any war, throughout history.
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BREAKING NEWS OUT OF RUSSIA. The Moskva has been reclassified as a submarine. War going as planned.
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Reality doesn’t matter anymore. Over the next few days, weeks...will anyone be shocked to discover there is a war in a place called Ukraine...between the Russian Federation and NATO using Uke grunts. A war by proxy.
A war that is not going well for NATO. Will anyone be shocked to discover that 2 'retired' US officers are captured or killed or drowned in the bunkers beneath the Azovstal Metallurgical Facility in Mariupol? Will anyone be shocked to learn that NATO unity is a myth...with Turkey blocking the Bosphorus, not allowing warships in, specifically NATO minesweepers? This war is not going well. Those of you with blue and yellow pom poms may want to consider getting some white, blue and red pom poms (you can use em here 4th of July in case it all goes to schidt). I am wondering what kind of alternative reality you live in? The preponderance of evidence suggest the Ukrainians are kicking the absolute chit out of the Russians.
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Agreed, wasn't sure what to search for. Most of our larger ships are both nuclear powered and nuclear armed.
Wrong again Otis. Only our carriers and subs are nukes. The majority of our capital warships are conventional powered. And we carry very few nuke weapons unless somthing major is going on. You never served and it is obvious.
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I doubt it was a strike from a subsonic missile. I suspect it was bad ammunition handling practices and mistakes made by an overworked crew with an unrealistic and unsustainable op tempo pushed by officers who were themselves under the gun and facing similar pressures from above.
It is more likely that something similar to the Forrestal fire happened than anything else. Ukraine reported a strike an hour or two before Russia claimed a fire started on board, that detonated ammunition. On Russian TV... get this, they are saying "Ship went down because of fire that detonated ammunition... but this has gone to far. Ukraine has to be punished for this. Bomb Kiev". Even Russians sees through the BS and knows Ukraine did it. Not to mention, the Ship has been sailing in a predictable pattern for the last 40 days... so its a calculated attack. Reportedly the Admiral in Sevastopol was detained quite violently by plain clothed police the day after. .
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Over the next few days, weeks...will anyone be shocked to discover there is a war in a place called Ukraine...between the Russian Federation and NATO using Uke grunts. A war by proxy.
A war that is not going well for NATO. Will anyone be shocked to discover that 2 'retired' US officers are captured or killed or drowned in the bunkers beneath the Azovstal Metallurgical Facility in Mariupol? Will anyone be shocked to learn that NATO unity is a myth...with Turkey blocking the Bosphorus, not allowing warships in, specifically NATO minesweepers? This war is not going well. Those of you with blue and yellow pom poms may want to consider getting some white, blue and red pom poms (you can use em here 4th of July in case it all goes to schidt). I am wondering what kind of alternative reality you live in? The preponderance of evidence suggest the Ukrainians are kicking the absolute chit out of the Russians. Its interesting to get an expert union member's perspective on the war. Does your leader AFL CIO Trumka now give union members, who can't even locate Ukraine on a world map, lessons on combat in Eastern Europe now? The unions should stick to what they do best. Open borders, flooding the country with millions of unskilled labor, free healthcare and college for illegal aliens. lol The Obama/Biden democrats sure have a big hard on for any proxy war and the destruction of America
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If it sank in the wee hours this morning, it occurs to me that the Moskva went down almost exactly 110 years to the hour after Titanic.
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If it sank in the wee hours this morning, it occurs to me that the Moskva went down almost exactly 110 years to the hour after Titanic. Q made that happen.
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Rumor has it that a drone was used to distract the ships missle defense system. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ruiser-sunk-stormy-seas-defense-ministryUkraine said it had struck the Moskva with Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles while distracting its crew with an aerial drone, causing it to start sinking and forcing the crew of 500 to abandon ship.
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Purest speculation here, but 60 miles is over the horizon for a land-based missile launcher. The drone therefore may have been the targeting vehicle used to relay data to the launcher and missile(s) while in flight until they reached their own acquisition range.
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I'm not sure what you're ranting about,...but from the article I linked:
Finland is heavily reliant on Russian gas and oil.
So exactly how am I wrong in saying that Finland likes Russian natural gas? Well I guess there ain't going to be any introspection. Here is the quote stream. Obviously the point was Putin was forcing Rubles payments for gas. Finland has said fu ck off with the intended NATO memebership. NATO membership has nothing to do with anything I mentioned. Why do you keep on ranting about NATO membership? Because NATO is a major issue with Russia and Finland is doing it in spite of their “ affinity “ for Russia’s gas. That’s why. Now spin it any way that you want, I don't "spin" anything. Finland buys Russian natural gas. Whether or not they join NATO has nothing to do with it. Lots of NATO countries buy Russian natural gas. Even America buys Russian oil,....a lot of it. 672,000 barrels a day throughout last year. The 3 Ukraine coksuckers in this thread arent worth the time Bristoe. They are too dumb to realize what is actually going on in the world and are so fast to side with the likes of Soros and some of the worlds most evil people. Nothing but a bunch of neocon fools who one day will be forced to wake up as to whats happening Please also address the Russian corksuckers here who praise Putin as their absolute savior from the nwo while you’re at it. They are worth the time gunchamp. That would be nice.
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I suspect both sides are telling the truth.
Ukrainian's snuck a couple R-360's into the side of her.
One of the known vulnerabilities of the Slava's is the 16 SS-N-12's stored topside in exposed launch tubes.
As the Russians said, a fire started .... and cooked off one or more of the 1000kg warheads in those SS-N-12's.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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