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All of my stuff is at 100 yards.

I started seating them longer once you schooled me on the long throat in my rifle.

And man I’d bet that 300 Shocker Hammer would be just the ticket for a few hundred yards.

I originally wanted the 300 TTSXs but couldn’t find them when I started.

Sir Woods,
That bullet does have the look of a very short bearing length which is just ahead of the boat tail base.
To obturate, it must be a little bigger than groove diameter, patented there, eh ?
Then a wasp waist and bore-rider nose tapering to a pointy.
If it can be used successfully in a .458 Maximus, then why not a .458 WM+ ?

According to the McGowen twist calculator, a 1:10.7" twist would stabilize that 674-gr Target Hammer at 1800 fps.
The .458 WM+ with the common 1:10" twist ought to be able to handle that bullet.
That has given me renewed interest in a Ruger No. 1 with 10" twist,
make it stainless with a screw-on brake threaded same as for a suppressor.
That would be the ultimate all-purpose rifle for the nimble fingered,
except fast twist is not so good for cast bullets.
Oh well, that is why everyone needs more than one .458 WinMag.

Buy a donkey for the flowers, Sir John.
LET'S GO BRANDON and the horse/whores he rode in on.
I've got to get a baseball cap with "LetsGoBrandon" on it, not "LGBTQIA."

Sir Scotty,
Your 78-gr H4198 3.300" load is plenty good.
Try a 65-gr charge of AA-5744 if you ever want for another fun load.
Yes that 300-gr Shock Hammer looks to be a humdinger too, big-bear-capable inside of 200 yards.

This will do for now, complete with complimentary giant bandana fashion accent
for the deer hunter:



The .458 WinMag is the perfect Kodiak deer rifle.
Winchester is here !

Yep, I sure love that cap and bandana fashion statement.
Review of another lightweight bullet from testing about 5 years ago, when we were Making America Great Again:
The Shock Hammer 300-grainer has a higher BC than the TTSX-BT according to the makers' figures.
TTSX-BT 300 gr, G1 BC = 0.236
Shock Hammer 300 gr, G1 BC = 0.272
Do PDR bands make the bullet that slick despite the 0.250"-diameter hollow point hole ?
Data from the TTSX might work even better with the Shock hammer.

The higher BC of the 404g Shock Hammer will cut wind drift almost in half.

Here is the parts rifle used to shoot the 300-gr TTSX, Ms. Chimera WinCzechster, a re-barreled .30-06 Pre-'64 M70:

First it was converted to .300 WinMag by re-barreling a 1952 vintage .30-06:



Then a take-off CZ barrel from a .458 WinMag 550 Magnum was set back 1/8" and re-threaded to fit the M70:



The 300-gr TSX-FB has claimed G1 BC of 0.230 or 0.234 depending on the source.
This load might be fully SAAMI compliant, with pressure under 60,000 psi and COL less than 3.340":



Good Kodiak Deer Load for Chimera.

CRAP!!!!! got word the vegetation is extra thick this year Fury01, going to be some tough receiver sighted rifle hunting, if i can see anything at all, dang, i wish i knew if little Wife could carry my scope sighted 458 WM+ for emergency dispatching of animals, she happily volunteered, i'd hate to wind up taking another scope sighted light rifle for light plains game after you gave me that box of solids.

Blowin' 'em outta the water Sir Ron, i can say the .451" 290gr version of that bullet is a stone cold buzzsaw killer at only 2100 fps from inline 50 cal and AR 450 Bushmaster, the blind could find the game, that's if they move at all after the hit, blood everywhere, devastating bullets made only worse with the 458 WM+'s extra velocity,

And Yessir, a big "buy a donkey" for lets go brandon, FU-K slow joe bidet, and the demotard donkey his diapered ass rode in on and the chit eating dog that followed!

Nice stuff with that 300 TTSX. That is a cool looking load.

I bet they’ll tear some stuff up as Gunner mentioned as well.

Good to hear that.
The blue plastic tip makes for reliable expansion at low velocity even if it does not improve BC by much.




Keep in mind that critter penetration is usually double (or more) than the depth of MIB wetpack penetration.

Yes they are pretty and effective, i.e., pretty effective bullets.
The 404-gr Shock Hammer is a mo' prettier and I bet mo' effective bullet too,
because it is mo' bullet but not too much mo', so it is a Goldilocks Bullet.
Due to its copper color it could be called the Ginger Bullet.

For sure RC. Although I do like the looks of the expansion on that 300 TTSX….

Hey guys,

This thread just keeps on delivering and would have to be the leading authority on the mighty .458 Winchester Magnum!

Wish me luck gentleman, as I will be out hunting the mighty Sambar again this weekend - and with me will once again be 'Fatso', my beloved Zastava M70 in .458WM.
However, this time it'll be loaded with the 550gn Woodleigh at 2100fps... a formidable load in anyones language!

It's funny, every time I go out for Sambar I think to myself, "you should really take out the .338WM as experts will say it is nearly the perfect Sambar rifle!"
Or "take out the .303 British for the cool and nostalgic factor..." but nearly every time it's Fatso that accompanies me.
This is because Sambar hunting is tough and more often than not the shot that must be taken is in less than perfect conditions, and the .458 has come up trumps every time.
Plus lets face it, it's just plain cool to hunt with an elephant gun.
Fatso has now accounted for Sambar, Fallow and Red Deer and even with less than perfect bullet placement, the .458 just plain and simple puts things on their bum.

I'll keep you all posted.

Russ

'Fatso'


This sums up the 550gn load perfectly.

Yes sir Big B and Sir Ron, a great and cheaper alternative for light big game, the 404 Hammer should have no peer for reach 'with' heavy on game performance, almost makes me want to work up a load in my double rifle with it!

You and 'Fatso' go get em and have fun, 550 Woodies at 2100 is indeed a hell of a load, i tried to buy some 550gr Woodleighs here from Ohiofarmer awhile back, he pulled the add, dont really know what happened.

Good luck out there!

Man, that is one helluva payload you are putting on them poor ol Sambar deer!

Gunner,
It is your trip brother; your decision. No problem for me either way.
When I hunt with my old Receiver sighted Springfield 35 Whelen in the dark or thick woods and have a standing shot, I often use my little 8x30's to pick a hole through the brush then simply set up on that spot and squeeeeze. Hasn't failed me yet!!
Best regards,
F01