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For actual specifics,

Kuiu Guide jacket, Get the Kuiu Pro down Parka has an overcoat? (guide jacket off)

Or Guide jacket on with the Super Pro Down ultra underneath the Jacket,

I like the idea of the insulation layer underneath, has long has the jacket is sized properly to not compress the insulation layer too much.

What's working for you guys?

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Now I notice Kuiu lists the Ultra has a mid layer.

The Pro has an outer layer.

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Originally Posted by Kenneth


I like the idea of the insulation layer underneath, as long has the jacket is sized properly to not compress the insulation layer too much.

What's working for you guys?



I agree. Insulation under. For this reason I have different size guide jackets depending on season (XL up to mid-season, XXL for late).

I also have different size insulation layers, Kenai, ultra, super, depending on the hunt and temps.


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It depends

In the winter/fall when stopped for a break/lunch/etc- my puffy goes over the top, this is simply for efficiency sake- it's quicker to don/remove. Keeps the heat in while stopped w/o much fuss. If I'm going to be glassing (or something that's going to take awhile) I usually layer it under a windshirt or hardshell. If there is a lot of wind or precip- it always gets layered under.

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Wet insulation isn't warm. Even synthetics lose some of their warmth and wet down is worthless. If there's any chance of getting wet, keep it underneath.


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This.

I wear mine under. I wear a jacket over insulation when the weather is wet, or so windy that it cuts through the insulation.

I've never worn insulation over a hard shell or soft shell jacket.

Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Wet insulation isn't warm. Even synthetics lose some of their warmth and wet down is worthless. If there's any chance of getting wet, keep it underneath.


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Originally Posted by David_Walter
This.

I wear mine under. I wear a jacket over insulation when the weather is wet, or so windy that it cuts through the insulation.

I've never worn insulation over a hard shell or soft shell jacket.

Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Wet insulation isn't warm. Even synthetics lose some of their warmth and wet down is worthless. If there's any chance of getting wet, keep it underneath.


Unless it's just for a few minutes when I stop to glass in the dry, bitter cold and exposed wind, I'm the same way.

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I always wear the insulating layer under the shell.

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Always wear the insulation under. I actually wear the Kuiu Kenai under a guide jacket. The Kenai does nothing for wind so when I stop I put the Guide over the top to cut wind. I also have a Sitka Kelvin which is warmer than the Kenai but doesn’t breathe near as well. The Kenai is my favorite mid layer. It is quiet and breathable. I don’t wear the Sitka because it’s noisy. Has typical sleeping bag puffy coat nylon. Which the super down will also have. Sitka now makes the Kelvin active jacket which is quieter. I don’t own it so can’t comment on that piece. The Guide and Kenai is great for me. Only thing better might be the Yukon rain jacket instead of the guide because it is waterproof, not water resistant like the Guide. It’s a soft shell rain gear but costs so much I haven’t bothered as the Guide does well enough with what I deal with.

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Originally Posted by TakeEm
Always wear the insulation under. I actually wear the Kuiu Kenai under a guide jacket. The Kenai does nothing for wind so when I stop I put the Guide over the top to cut wind. I also have a Sitka Kelvin which is warmer than the Kenai but doesn’t breathe near as well. The Kenai is my favorite mid layer. It is quiet and breathable. I don’t wear the Sitka because it’s noisy. Has typical sleeping bag puffy coat nylon. Which the super down will also have. Sitka now makes the Kelvin active jacket which is quieter. I don’t own it so can’t comment on that piece. The Guide and Kenai is great for me. Only thing better might be the Yukon rain jacket instead of the guide because it is waterproof, not water resistant like the Guide. It’s a soft shell rain gear but costs so much I haven’t bothered as the Guide does well enough with what I deal with.


When your wearing the Guide over the Kenai, did you upsize on the Guide compared to the Kenai, or did the same sizes work well?

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They are both the same size. The Guide jacket is cut larger for layering and the Kenai has a closer to body fit. I would order your normal size in both. The guide is a little loose with nothing under it but not enough to bother me. I was between sizes and went with the larger size.


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Originally Posted by Kenneth
For actual specifics,

Kuiu Guide jacket, Get the Kuiu Pro down Parka has an overcoat? (guide jacket off)

Or Guide jacket on with the Super Pro Down ultra underneath the Jacket,

I like the idea of the insulation layer underneath, has long has the jacket is sized properly to not compress the insulation layer too much.

What's working for you guys?


Do you already own the Guide jacket? Also what temps are you normally hunting in?

I had the guide jacket for a while but have since moved on to the Axis jacket. I’ve ran them both with a Peleton 240 under as well as a Kenai jacket or a super down depending on temps and how active of a hunt it is. Wearing an XL in both jackets and a Large for the 240. Works well.

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Like Warden says, it depends.
I probably wear insulation over more than under. Often, it's a very light base layer like an OR Echo hoody with a wind shirt such as the Black Diamond Alpine over that. Insulation will follow, usually a Mont-Bell Thermawrap jacket or parka.

If it's cold enough to wear insulation over the base layer, it might be a fleece vest between the base and the wind or one of the above insulation pieces with a Black Diamond Dawn Patrol soft shell as the outer layer, and no wind shirt.

For myself, overheating is a much greater problem than being too cold.
The puffy or Serape is always in the pack in cool to cold weather to go over everything.


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Originally Posted by 805
Originally Posted by Kenneth
For actual specifics,

Kuiu Guide jacket, Get the Kuiu Pro down Parka has an overcoat? (guide jacket off)

Or Guide jacket on with the Super Pro Down ultra underneath the Jacket,

I like the idea of the insulation layer underneath, has long has the jacket is sized properly to not compress the insulation layer too much.

What's working for you guys?


Do you already own the Guide jacket? Also what temps are you normally hunting in?

I had the guide jacket for a while but have since moved on to the Axis jacket. I’ve ran them both with a Peleton 240 under as well as a Kenai jacket or a super down depending on temps and how active of a hunt it is. Wearing an XL in both jackets and a Large for the 240. Works well.


No, do not own one yet, Had one here last week, tried it on and returned it,
Liked the jacket, but has a shell with insulation underneath it needed to be bigger,

Looking at the Kenai now for an insulating layer, that should answer questions regarding sizing and shells.

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I normally wear XL but I use a XXL Guide with an XL Kenai and am happy with how it fits and doesn't overly compress the Kenai!

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Originally Posted by Ackleyfan
I normally wear XL but I use a XXL Guide with an XL Kenai and am happy with how it fits and doesn't overly compress the Kenai!


Likely scenario for me has well, Thanks.

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if it is not wet and I am stopping for a while for glassing or eating something or such, I juts put my down pro jacket over the softshell I am wearing and that is normally plenty.

If is is going to be long stop like when I get to camo or it is wet then I wear it underneath.

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Originally Posted by mtwarden
It depends

In the winter/fall when stopped for a break/lunch/etc- my puffy goes over the top, this is simply for efficiency sake- it's quicker to don/remove. Keeps the heat in while stopped w/o much fuss. If I'm going to be glassing (or something that's going to take awhile) I usually layer it under a windshirt or hardshell. If there is a lot of wind or precip- it always gets layered under.



Originally Posted by chamois
if it is not wet and I am stopping for a while for glassing or eating something or such, I juts put my down pro jacket over the softshell I am wearing and that is normally plenty.

If is is going to be long stop like when I get to camo or it is wet then I wear it underneath.


I'm same as the previous. If alternating still/moving for short periods of time still, it's not raining, and I want it off when moving, then I'll leave it on the outside for ease of removal. Any other time it's under the shell.

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