|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,944
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,944 |
Have a box of those 200 grain Partitions & a big jug of Reloder 23. You guys have me itching to work up a dark timber load
Only problem is I don't have a current 30 06 in the house!
41 You, sir, have your priorities misaligned.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,457
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,457 |
Been wanting to try the 200 Partitions in my 30-06s for a while now…Picked up two pounds of H4831SC for my LGS this afternoon… now to find some 200 Partitions.
Semper Fi
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2 |
[u][/u] Accuracy? Velocity variation? Any oddities due to "crunching"?
I suspect that might kill a big game animal. I pulled the VX3LR off and sent it in. Completely went wonky. Shot again this morning. 200 Grain Berger with 54 grains Big Game hunter. Much slower. Probably can Bump it up.
Last edited by dennisinaz; 04/21/22.
NRA Benefactor Member
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,538
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 2,538 |
... my rifle settled in nicely just North of 60 grains for 2700 fps with the 200 gr NPT's, that is a badass load in the old '06! gunner500 and others- Twenty months ago I worked up a load for my M1885 with the 27" barrel of the 200 NPT with RL22. 58 grains produced 2725 fps and also primer leaks. 57 grains gave about 2680 fps, so I considered that max. Temps at testing were 35°F. Since the ammo and rifle were heading for Namibia, I thought maybe 57 grains was not all that conservative, and might be well above 2700 fps with temperatures of 95°F. The Problem: I was using Norma brass and Winchester WLR primers. Last year I found my lot of primers was one of the ones to be recalled, so I'm thinking of redoing the test with either replacement WLRs or something else. The primer leaks with WLRs may have been a false-positive for pressure problems. QUESTION: What primers and what make(s) of brass are you using for your loads using RL22 and 200 NPTs? Thanks. --Bob Try federal Primers , winchester primers are about the smalllest in diameter and if matched to a large but spec pocket may cause leakage.........
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2 |
This is my 200gr Accubond load out of my 28" Pacnor barreled 30-06 Win case,WLRM primer,61.0grs of Reloader 26 2815fps.You would probably lose around 25fps per inch of barrel length.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,944
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,944 |
With 62 gr/RL26, Fed 210, R-P brass and 200 gr Nosler Partitions I get 2730 fps from a 24” barrel, superb accuracy.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2 |
I loaded some up tonight with R17. I'll see how they do in the morning. How do you get 62 grains of R26 in a 3006 case???
NRA Benefactor Member
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2 |
I loaded some up tonight with R17. I'll see how they do in the morning. How do you get 62 grains of R26 in a 3006 case??? Reloader 26 is a heavy powder by volume. You can get a lot more grains in a case compared to a powder like 4350.Cases also have different volumes.I can get a bit more powder in a Winchester 30-06 case than I can in a Remington 30-06 case.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2 |
Ok. I'll try it. Have you tried R23?
NRA Benefactor Member
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2 |
Ok. I'll try it. Have you tried R23? No,I have never tried it.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,944
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,944 |
I loaded some up tonight with R17. I'll see how they do in the morning. How do you get 62 grains of R26 in a 3006 case??? I just pour it in there. RL26 is quite dense, one of its big attributes.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 15,341 Likes: 6
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 15,341 Likes: 6 |
Ok. I'll try it. Have you tried R23? I have, not in a 30-06 but in some others. It isn't quite as dense as 26 and takes up more case space. It really does well in the 270 with 150's and a few others so far.
Semper Fi
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 15,928 Likes: 1
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 15,928 Likes: 1 |
This is my 200gr Accubond load out of my 28" Pacnor barreled 30-06 Win case,WLRM primer,61.0grs of Reloader 26 2815fps.You would probably lose around 25fps per inch of barrel length. I don't know how one would improve on that. Great shooting!
There are 2 rules to success:
1. Never tell everything that you know.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2 |
I wasn't too impressed with Reloader 26 until I used it for 180gr bullets in my 30-06's.It certainly works for 180gr and heavier.So what is better,a 180gr at 2992fps or a 200gr at 2815fps?I chose the 180gr to shoot a red stag and it worked very well.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 48,179 Likes: 19
Campfire 'Bwana
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 48,179 Likes: 19 |
I wasn't too impressed with Reloader 26 until I used it for 180gr bullets in my 30-06's.It certainly works for 180gr and heavier.So what is better,a 180gr at 2992fps or a 200gr at 2815fps?I chose the 180gr to shoot a red stag and it worked very well. It depends on what you define as "better" Obviously your 200gr Accubond load is shooting better, based on the 2 pictures you posted. Who knows if its' consistent, you say you were not impressed with RL26 until you used it for the 180gr. Why? Your 200gr load appears to be more precise, unless there's something your are not telling us. Is that load consistent? How is it for 5 shots? I'd take the 200gr load any day over the 180, but that goes back to what your take is on "better". I've used 180's on elk and they stop them, even the Nosler partiton. The 200's tend to penetrate deeper and within reasonable hunting distance, you won't notice a difference in trajectory between the 2. Having shot the 30-06 all my life and using many weights of bullets, I have personally settled on the 200 gr partition as a do it all bullet for the old war horse. It does great things and there's a reason Win458 loves that combo so much as well. You can use the 180's if you want, but there's a reason so many of us like the 200gr pills.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,419 Likes: 2 |
I wasn't too impressed with Reloader 26 until I used it for 180gr bullets in my 30-06's.It certainly works for 180gr and heavier.So what is better,a 180gr at 2992fps or a 200gr at 2815fps?I chose the 180gr to shoot a red stag and it worked very well. It depends on what you define as "better" Obviously your 200gr Accubond load is shooting better, based on the 2 pictures you posted. Who knows if its' consistent, you say you were not impressed with RL26 until you used it for the 180gr. Why? Your 200gr load appears to be more precise, unless there's something your are not telling us. Is that load consistent? How is it for 5 shots? I'd take the 200gr load any day over the 180, but that goes back to what your take is on "better". I've used 180's on elk and they stop them, even the Nosler partiton. The 200's tend to penetrate deeper and within reasonable hunting distance, you won't notice a difference in trajectory between the 2. Having shot the 30-06 all my life and using many weights of bullets, I have personally settled on the 200 gr partition as a do it all bullet for the old war horse. It does great things and there's a reason Win458 loves that combo so much as well. You can use the 180's if you want, but there's a reason so many of us like the 200gr pills. I tried Reloader 26 with 168gr bullets in the 30-06 and didn't see any better velocity increase over what I could get from Big Game,4350's or Hunter.Both loads are consistent.I see no need to shoot five shots if it shoots consistent groups of three.I haven't had to shoot but one well placed shot in years,so the first shot is what is important to me anyway.I'm not knocking a 200gr bullet but a 180gr bullet traveling nearly 200fps faster is going to carry a little more energy.If both bullets exit,how much difference is it really between the two.
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2 |
Ok: 54.0 grains R17, 200 grain Accubomb, Russian primer, avg velocity was 2780.
56.2 grains IMR 4350 produced 2928 fps with 178 ELD-X and the Russian primer. I did not try R26. 57.4 grains of Hunter with the same 178 ELD-X was only 2890 so the 4350 was the faster load with equal accuracy.
25" barrel
NRA Benefactor Member
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,457
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2013
Posts: 2,457 |
Ok: 54.0 grains R17, 200 grain Accubomb, Russian primer, avg velocity was 2780.
56.2 grains IMR 4350 produced 2928 fps with 178 ELD-X and the Russian primer. I did not try R26. 57.4 grains of Hunter with the same 178 ELD-X was only 2890 so the 4350 was the faster load with equal accuracy.
25" barrel
What case are you using?
Semper Fi
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,186 Likes: 21
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 60,186 Likes: 21 |
Dennis, Ok: 54.0 grains R17, 200 grain Accubomb, Russian primer, avg velocity was 2780.
56.2 grains IMR 4350 produced 2928 fps with 178 ELD-X and the Russian primer. I did not try R26. 57.4 grains of Hunter with the same 178 ELD-X was only 2890 so the 4350 was the faster load with equal accuracy.
25" barrel
You're comparing apples to oranges. Hunter is considerably slower-burning than IMR4350, more like IMR4831 or RL-19. The latest data from Hodgdon for IMR4350 and 175-180 grain bullets lists 56.5 to 57.0 grains as maximum, for velocities in the mid-2700s from a 24-inch barrrel. The latest Ramshot data shows maximum charges of Hunter from 58.5 to 61.0 grains with the same weight-range of bullets, for velocities in the 2800s, up to close to 2900--again from a 24-inch barrel. Have been using Hunter with bullets in the 180-grain range in the .30-06 for around 15 years, with excellent results in both velocity and accuracy in several rifles. As with the other Belgium-made Ramshot powders, loads close to maximum usually result in finer accuracy--and less fouling.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 13,117 Likes: 2 |
That Hunter load was at Max pressure for me.
W-W cases
NRA Benefactor Member
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
|
|
|
|
74 members (338Rules, AdventureBound, 406_SBC, 907brass, 300_savage, 11 invisible),
1,326
guests, and
721
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,193,449
Posts18,507,938
Members74,002
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|