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Originally Posted by 41rem
Have a box of those 200 grain Partitions & a big jug of Reloder 23. You guys have me itching to work up a dark timber load

Only problem is I don't have a current 30 06 in the house!

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Been wanting to try the 200 Partitions in my 30-06s for a while now…Picked up two pounds of H4831SC for my LGS this afternoon… now to find some 200 Partitions.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Accuracy? Velocity variation? Any oddities due to "crunching"?

I suspect that might kill a big game animal.


I pulled the VX3LR off and sent it in. Completely went wonky. Shot again this morning. 200 Grain Berger with 54 grains Big Game hunter. Much slower. Probably can Bump it up.

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Originally Posted by BullShooter
Originally Posted by gunner500
... my rifle settled in nicely just North of 60 grains for 2700 fps with the 200 gr NPT's, that is a badass load in the old '06!

gunner500 and others-

Twenty months ago I worked up a load for my M1885 with the 27" barrel of the 200 NPT with RL22. 58 grains produced 2725 fps and also primer leaks. 57 grains gave about 2680 fps, so I considered that max. Temps at testing were 35°F. Since the ammo and rifle were heading for Namibia, I thought maybe 57 grains was not all that conservative, and might be well above 2700 fps with temperatures of 95°F.

The Problem: I was using Norma brass and Winchester WLR primers. Last year I found my lot of primers was one of the ones to be recalled, so I'm thinking of redoing the test with either replacement WLRs or something else. The primer leaks with WLRs may have been a false-positive for pressure problems.

QUESTION: What primers and what make(s) of brass are you using for your loads using RL22 and 200 NPTs?

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This is my 200gr Accubond load out of my 28" Pacnor barreled 30-06
Win case,WLRM primer,61.0grs of Reloader 26 2815fps.You would probably lose around 25fps per inch of barrel length.

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With 62 gr/RL26, Fed 210, R-P brass and 200 gr Nosler Partitions I get 2730 fps from a 24” barrel, superb accuracy.

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I loaded some up tonight with R17. I'll see how they do in the morning. How do you get 62 grains of R26 in a 3006 case???


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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
I loaded some up tonight with R17. I'll see how they do in the morning. How do you get 62 grains of R26 in a 3006 case???

Reloader 26 is a heavy powder by volume. You can get a lot more grains in a case compared to a powder like 4350.Cases also have different volumes.I can get a bit more powder in a Winchester 30-06 case than I can in a Remington 30-06 case.


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Ok. I'll try it.
Have you tried R23?


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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Ok. I'll try it.
Have you tried R23?

No,I have never tried it.


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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
I loaded some up tonight with R17. I'll see how they do in the morning. How do you get 62 grains of R26 in a 3006 case???


I just pour it in there. RL26 is quite dense, one of its big attributes.

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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Ok. I'll try it.
Have you tried R23?


I have, not in a 30-06 but in some others. It isn't quite as dense as 26 and takes up more case space. It really does well in the 270 with 150's and a few others so far.


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Originally Posted by baldhunter
This is my 200gr Accubond load out of my 28" Pacnor barreled 30-06
Win case,WLRM primer,61.0grs of Reloader 26 2815fps.You would probably lose around 25fps per inch of barrel length.

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I don't know how one would improve on that. Great shooting!


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I wasn't too impressed with Reloader 26 until I used it for 180gr bullets in my 30-06's.It certainly works for 180gr and heavier.So what is better,a 180gr at 2992fps or a 200gr at 2815fps?I chose the 180gr to shoot a red stag and it worked very well.
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Originally Posted by baldhunter
I wasn't too impressed with Reloader 26 until I used it for 180gr bullets in my 30-06's.It certainly works for 180gr and heavier.So what is better,a 180gr at 2992fps or a 200gr at 2815fps?I chose the 180gr to shoot a red stag and it worked very well.
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It depends on what you define as "better" Obviously your 200gr Accubond load is shooting better, based on the 2 pictures you posted. Who knows if its' consistent, you say you were not impressed with RL26 until you used it for the 180gr. Why? Your 200gr load appears to be more precise, unless there's something your are not telling us. Is that load consistent? How is it for 5 shots? I'd take the 200gr load any day over the 180, but that goes back to what your take is on "better". I've used 180's on elk and they stop them, even the Nosler partiton. The 200's tend to penetrate deeper and within reasonable hunting distance, you won't notice a difference in trajectory between the 2. Having shot the 30-06 all my life and using many weights of bullets, I have personally settled on the 200 gr partition as a do it all bullet for the old war horse. It does great things and there's a reason Win458 loves that combo so much as well. You can use the 180's if you want, but there's a reason so many of us like the 200gr pills.


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Originally Posted by bsa1917hunter
Originally Posted by baldhunter
I wasn't too impressed with Reloader 26 until I used it for 180gr bullets in my 30-06's.It certainly works for 180gr and heavier.So what is better,a 180gr at 2992fps or a 200gr at 2815fps?I chose the 180gr to shoot a red stag and it worked very well.
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It depends on what you define as "better" Obviously your 200gr Accubond load is shooting better, based on the 2 pictures you posted. Who knows if its' consistent, you say you were not impressed with RL26 until you used it for the 180gr. Why? Your 200gr load appears to be more precise, unless there's something your are not telling us. Is that load consistent? How is it for 5 shots? I'd take the 200gr load any day over the 180, but that goes back to what your take is on "better". I've used 180's on elk and they stop them, even the Nosler partiton. The 200's tend to penetrate deeper and within reasonable hunting distance, you won't notice a difference in trajectory between the 2. Having shot the 30-06 all my life and using many weights of bullets, I have personally settled on the 200 gr partition as a do it all bullet for the old war horse. It does great things and there's a reason Win458 loves that combo so much as well. You can use the 180's if you want, but there's a reason so many of us like the 200gr pills.

I tried Reloader 26 with 168gr bullets in the 30-06 and didn't see any better velocity increase over what I could get from Big Game,4350's or Hunter.Both loads are consistent.I see no need to shoot five shots if it shoots consistent groups of three.I haven't had to shoot but one well placed shot in years,so the first shot is what is important to me anyway.I'm not knocking a 200gr bullet but a 180gr bullet traveling nearly 200fps faster is going to carry a little more energy.If both bullets exit,how much difference is it really between the two.


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Ok: 54.0 grains R17, 200 grain Accubomb, Russian primer, avg velocity was 2780.

56.2 grains IMR 4350 produced 2928 fps with 178 ELD-X and the Russian primer. I did not try R26.
57.4 grains of Hunter with the same 178 ELD-X was only 2890 so the 4350 was the faster load with equal accuracy.

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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Ok: 54.0 grains R17, 200 grain Accubomb, Russian primer, avg velocity was 2780.

56.2 grains IMR 4350 produced 2928 fps with 178 ELD-X and the Russian primer. I did not try R26.
57.4 grains of Hunter with the same 178 ELD-X was only 2890 so the 4350 was the faster load with equal accuracy.

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What case are you using?


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Originally Posted by dennisinaz
Ok: 54.0 grains R17, 200 grain Accubomb, Russian primer, avg velocity was 2780.

56.2 grains IMR 4350 produced 2928 fps with 178 ELD-X and the Russian primer. I did not try R26.
57.4 grains of Hunter with the same 178 ELD-X was only 2890 so the 4350 was the faster load with equal accuracy.

25" barrel


You're comparing apples to oranges. Hunter is considerably slower-burning than IMR4350, more like IMR4831 or RL-19.

The latest data from Hodgdon for IMR4350 and 175-180 grain bullets lists 56.5 to 57.0 grains as maximum, for velocities in the mid-2700s from a 24-inch barrrel.

The latest Ramshot data shows maximum charges of Hunter from 58.5 to 61.0 grains with the same weight-range of bullets, for velocities in the 2800s, up to close to 2900--again from a 24-inch barrel.

Have been using Hunter with bullets in the 180-grain range in the .30-06 for around 15 years, with excellent results in both velocity and accuracy in several rifles. As with the other Belgium-made Ramshot powders, loads close to maximum usually result in finer accuracy--and less fouling.


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That Hunter load was at Max pressure for me.

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