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Haggling & negotiating is part of the experience of trading at a gun show or any swap meet. You meet and deal with all types. It’s part of the game. If you run into someone you don’t like or some deal that doesn’t add up it’s no big deal. No need to make a post about it to everybody about your dilemma. Billy Goat is right. I made a discovery today about an exciting new math used at gun shows.
I'd taken a shotgun as trading stock, just in case I saw something worth dickering over. After walking around a bit and seeing plenty of unsold $150 primers I came to a table with a pretty little 50th Anniversary 10/22. Interesting gun. Looking it over I noticed two pretty deep dents and some muzzle powder residue from firing. Dealer is a guy I avoid like the plague because he's such a prick. He looked very gaunt like he was dying of cancer, so I figured maybe he'd have a little humility as he realized his end was nigh. Who knows, maybe he's trying to save his widow the trouble of dealing with his crap after he's gone?
He said the Ruger was NIB. I told him it was used. He said he bought it from the original owner. I said exactly, it's used, by definition, not to mention it's been handled and damaged, and fired.
But, I was still interested so I handed him my shotgun and said "trade me out of it". He wanted $500 for the Ruger and $150 per/1000 primers.
"What do you want?", he asks.
I told him I wanted $1350 for it. He offered me a used 10/22 and 2000 primers. LOL
I told him 5000 primers, the 10/22, and a bunch of 22 mag ammo. None of which I need btw, but wth, it's all fun and games.
He rolled his eyes and ranted and raved. You'd think I'd spent the night corn-holing his mother by his reaction.
"The 10/22 and 3000 primers is $1150!", he counters.
I'm doing to math in my head- $500+$450=$1150. And that's IF I agreed to pay those prices, which ain't happening.
"Your shotgun has no resale value. I can't get $900 for it."
"So why would you want it?" seemed like a reasonable response to his assessment. He had no answer for that.
We went back and forth a few more times and it was obvious he was high on his meds so I left.
Not the first time I've been insulted but never quite so blatantly.
I told my buddy after we left if I was an azzhole I would have told him "I'll just wait for whatever is killing you to finish it's work then I'll pick all this up for pennies on the dollar at your widows auction."
But I'm not an azzhole. Not yet anyway. You’re a grade a self righteous fûcking prick. Based on this post alone.
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Dealer is a guy I avoid like the plague because he's such a prick.
That seems to be not quite the case.
Sounds like a fun time though….🙄
What fresh Hell is this?
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95% of these gun show threads go one of two ways.
Posters complain how someone tried to screw them or how they stole something for a great price. Guess it just depends on who its happening to.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
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That is exactly why I don’t do gun shows anymore. Not going to gun shows is probably the best way to not get anything. If the guys in the gold rush days only went where nougats laid on the ground, we would never have had any gold reserves…
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Cash value
Trade value
Trade value is up above cash value most times.
Ratio of what it was bought for versus what it is selling for.
Profit margin and the abilty to be flexible within it.
Potential of up profit in a trade for an item versus the item a seller has that you as a buyer wants and the item you have to trade for it
It's all part of negotiating.
Bringing up points.
Leaving some meat on the bone isnt a bad thing.
Some have a huge aversion to that above.
But most gun show sellers in this day and age are weasels also
Who dont even hunt or shoot and are in the game to work the climate.
Not all of them are that way, but many are...
Some see the up value, some refuse too cause they are hardheaded and so set in their ways they dont wanta be " beat".
Throw in seller age with that.
Sometimes it is just best to move on down the aisle.
And just saaay fugg it.
Dude will be back at the next 3 4 or 5 shows trying to sell the same items...
Many of these sellers have been trying to sell the same items for a looooong time.
Their table is more of a show and tell twilight of their life event at the gunshows with their pricing and mentality of negotiation.
They gotta win.
We have all seen those tables....
But if either side is trying to squeeze every penny they can.
The deal probably aint happening.
Gunshows are dead to me after the Murfeesboro show several weeks ago.
Had enough..
Had about a 13 14 yr hiatus from em.
Then started going to em again around summer 2017.
This last 4 or 5 years of going to them has plummeted from the initial novelty and some deals to be found to a place to advoid
Even the sheer humanity value of going to one has degraded.
YMMV blanket statement......
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Gun show buyers—“This show sucks! Nobody will sell me a Rem 700 BDL for $250!!”
Gun show sellers—“This show sucks! Nobody will buy my Rem 700 BDL for $1500!!”
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I see quite a few people working in gun shops and at gun show tables that act like they would rather be shoveling cow barns out. I always wondered why they are in a business that hate so much.
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Shoulda just thrown in the .38 Souper and closed the deal.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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I see quite a few people working in gun shops and at gun show tables that act like they would rather be shoveling cow barns out. I always wondered why they are in a business that hate so much. Please refer back to the OP.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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I'm hoping that with the passing of the boomers we'll see gunshows go the way of the dodo or boomer. Maybe then libtards will stfu about the "loophole".
They all suck. Just crabby old timers sitting behind banquet tables with garbage displayed for astronomical prices.
Most have more jewelry, jerky, purses, and popcorn than guns. They are schiet shows.
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Gun shows are hard. I generally don’t go because I’m not educated enough on grading and values of most used guns to know what is fair. I can generally recognize a screaming good deal or a way overpriced item.
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The title of the thread is "Gun Show Math". This same dealer had 22 mag ammo at $35 a box. Local gun shop has it for $20, all you want, and the gunshop is owned by nice people that talk respectfully to their customers.
Unlike the internet where cowards hide behind anonymity and take potshots at others with no consequences, in person men negotiate and reason to come to a place of agreement or they part ways. But some gun show sellers are a different lot. Some of them as has been pointed out are miserable SOB's.
No reasonable person will accept "$500 + $450 (3x$150)= $1150". Some dealers are so outlandish in their position there is no reasonable ground to even start a negotiation from. Like trying to purchase a used car priced so many thousands too high you never get to what is even a reasonable amount in the negotiation. Anyone that's done anything in this life knows exactly what I'm talking about.
I would be glad to leave some meat on the bone for any dealer on a trade deal, that's expected, but don't try to tell me $950 is $1150 and your outrageous prices are above reproach. I've sold big blocks of firearms to two dealers in the past and left many thousands on the table for their trouble, as I said it was expected, but I never felt disrespected, talked down to or abused.
The bigger picture if you're in a people business it might behoove you to have some people skills.
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"Unlike the internet where cowards hide behind anonymity and take potshots at others with no consequences"
This is what you've done to this dealer in your made-up story. On top of that, you wished a miserable death on him and then claim you are not an [bleep]. You should really review your tough-guy stories before you post them.
Some customers are not worth the time...
“Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.”
― Ernest Hemingway
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I was at the Tulsa gun show several years ago looking at a used bi-pod on a table. The price was set at "new" and I was talking the price over with my wife. The guy behind the table took exception to our discussion and started yelling at us to get the F away from his table. The guy must have been having a bad weekend but dang!!! Most of those guys price their stuff to where they can't even pay for their table rent imo
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Ok - I see you only use biodegradable trash on the other thread - some street cred gained back.
“Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.”
― Ernest Hemingway
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The title of the thread is "Gun Show Math". This same dealer had 22 mag ammo at $35 a box. Local gun shop has it for $20, all you want, and the gunshop is owned by nice people that talk respectfully to their customers.
Unlike the internet where cowards hide behind anonymity and take potshots at others with no consequences, in person men negotiate and reason to come to a place of agreement or they part ways. But some gun show sellers are a different lot. Some of them as has been pointed out are miserable SOB's.
No reasonable person will accept "$500 + $450 (3x$150)= $1150". Some dealers are so outlandish in their position there is no reasonable ground to even start a negotiation from. Like trying to purchase a used car priced so many thousands too high you never get to what is even a reasonable amount in the negotiation. Anyone that's done anything in this life knows exactly what I'm talking about.
I would be glad to leave some meat on the bone for any dealer on a trade deal, that's expected, but don't try to tell me $950 is $1150 and your outrageous prices are above reproach. I've sold big blocks of firearms to two dealers in the past and left many thousands on the table for their trouble, as I said it was expected, but I never felt disrespected, talked down to or abused.
The bigger picture if you're in a people business it might behoove you to have some people skills. I get that the guy made an adding error to come up with $1150. You could have simply pointed that out and gone on from there. You never did mention what shotgun you were selling. What was the best offer you got for it? Did you trade it or take it back home?
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"Unlike the internet where cowards hide behind anonymity and take potshots at others with no consequences"
This is what you've done to this dealer in your made-up story. On top of that, you wished a miserable death on him and then claim you are not an [bleep]. You should really review your tough-guy stories before you post them. +1 but I like this line better: ....... in person men negotiate and reason to come to a place of agreement or they part ways. And then go bitch about it on the internet, and throw in some stuff they'd never say to the man in person.
A wise man is frequently humbled.
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I'm hoping that with the passing of the boomers we'll see gunshows go the way of the dodo or boomer. Maybe then libtards will stfu about the "loophole".
They all suck. Just crabby old timers sitting behind banquet tables with garbage displayed for astronomical prices.
Most have more jewelry, jerky, purses, and popcorn than guns. They are schiet shows. If you live in Laredo your entire life is a schit show. And if you think libtards will ever STFU up about gun sales you’re a dumb fugk.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Not a real member - just an ordinary guy who appreciates being able to hang around and say something once in awhile.
Happily Trapped In the Past (Thanks, Joe)
Not only a less than minimally educated person, but stupid and out of touch as well.
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The title of the thread is "Gun Show Math". This same dealer had 22 mag ammo at $35 a box. Local gun shop has it for $20, all you want, and the gunshop is owned by nice people that talk respectfully to their customers.
Unlike the internet where cowards hide behind anonymity and take potshots at others with no consequences, in person men negotiate and reason to come to a place of agreement or they part ways. But some gun show sellers are a different lot. Some of them as has been pointed out are miserable SOB's.
No reasonable person will accept "$500 + $450 (3x$150)= $1150". Some dealers are so outlandish in their position there is no reasonable ground to even start a negotiation from. Like trying to purchase a used car priced so many thousands too high you never get to what is even a reasonable amount in the negotiation. Anyone that's done anything in this life knows exactly what I'm talking about.
I would be glad to leave some meat on the bone for any dealer on a trade deal, that's expected, but don't try to tell me $950 is $1150 and your outrageous prices are above reproach. I've sold big blocks of firearms to two dealers in the past and left many thousands on the table for their trouble, as I said it was expected, but I never felt disrespected, talked down to or abused.
The bigger picture if you're in a people business it might behoove you to have some people skills. Now this idiot is gonna lecture folk on “people skills.” LOL Can’t make this schit up.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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