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That's just not what happened. He didn't kill anyone.

He and other cops went into another building and evacuated students while the shooter was pinned down in another building.

I'm glad he took action.

But be aware of the thread here where they accused the cops of only saving his own kids...


Really and truly, everyone ought to take a step back and wait for the investigation to proceed with facts...

Here's a link to the same story that you don't have to sign up for... https://www.foxnews.com/us/uvalde-texas-shooting-cbp-agent-saves-uvalde-students-daughter

where it applies to long-term and a full response standloint, I agree. The investigation should proceed and appropriate action should be taken at multiple levels.

From both a personal and professional standpoint, right now, the only question i have is:
Did EVERY responding cop go directly to the threat (I'll make exceptions for units held outside under direction of the scene commander for perimeter, etc once sufficient entry was made) until it was confirmed that the threat(s) was terminated?
If the answer is 'no', than its excuses and bullshit.

I know this isn't 'my area ' of the Nation, but that shouldn't matter. If someone isn't willing to enter a building to stop the killing of innocents, they shouldn't pin on a badge.

If it is determined that I'm interpreting this response wrong, you'll be the first I apologize to. I just can't accept that any copper could live with themselves for standing by.

From where I sit, it seems like whoever was the scene commander, whether it was the Uvalde Police Chief, the Sheriff, or DPS.... whoever it was... SHOULD have put together enough force from the cops there, and stormed the building.

Time is not your friend in those situations.

If any of those ranking officers were even close to the first at the school, they should have been inside trying to kill the shooter.
there is no 'enough for entry ' anymore. In my current position, I'm within two miles from.any of 'my' schools if I'm trapped at the PD. it's highly unlikely any other copper is going to beat me to an incident there
The Fire Chief already knows he has immediate command, because I'm going to be hunting.
That is the only acceptable answer from my perspective.

i know why they are clsoed and contained. in this instance every action the cops took was wrong. and youre wrong for sucking their dick.

evey second of active shooter training i have been through is go forward, and neutralize the threat.

those of you compllaining about policy and command orders can also suck a dick. fire me afterwards. i ok with that. im not ok with letting some makiac contionue to kill kids when i have the means to stop him.

Training has nothing to do with going towards a threat like that. You do it because it has to be done. Training is something that might help you survive a situation like that, but lack of “training” should not be an excuse to not go towards the threat.

for years active shooter training has been simple: First on scene grab someone if you can and run to the active shooter. There's no asking for permission from your supv and no special hand signals, no ninja room clearing etc. .


The tactics all changed after Columbine over 20 years ago.

Still waiting for full report and all mistakes made

I agree that something should have been done sooner.

But my believing no bystanders should be allowed into an active shooter scene doesn't make me be "sucking their dick".

Yes, but iirc he was headed for the gunfire when the shooter came out.

A hwy chase ensued and iirc the hero was down to the last one of his 3 cartridges.

I dont think he knew when running toward the church as fast as he could that the shooter was going to come out. Its reasonable to expect he planned on going in for him.

This press conference is bad, all the way around. 🤦‍♂️

I seem to remember a female deputy a few years ago going into a church lobby and becoming a hero after shooting a threat.

Anyone remember if he had fired shots before she went in?

You and I are about the same age as I recall but your attitude is reminiscent of the “old school guys”. I mean that ONLY in every good way you can think of. I’d be racing myself to the sound of children being murdered and if I was in your AO we’d be racing each other. When the “sh.it hits the fan” those of us that have been tasked with great responsibility are ONLY focused on doing our job perfectly, not on the maybe’s. It’s not until afterwards that you realize how close you were to buying the farm. In the moment it’s simply the most important work that needs to be done and it’s up to “you” to do it.

I’m trying to withhold my thoughts on this tragedy until more information comes in. If it’s true (I believe it is) I hope that SIGNIFICANT improvements are made as a result.

The current DPS spokesman finally admitted that they made a mistake by not going in immediately. He also said the dirtbag used a debit card to buy all the stuff so he had the money in the bank, but they don't know any more than that so far.

Ace, it makes me wonder if many officers there wanted to go in but submitted to orders from going in.

Seems they come to the same conclusion every time. Hummm.

There are no exceptions to this scenario.

You do not follow orders. Only SOP.

Bingo.

I'm feel pretty sure Col Travis and several others on the Fire would have done the right thing.

You'll note the 'sufficient entry' qualification.

I can guesstimate how long that will take in my area, but it's going to be a bit before any of the achools, etc reach a saturation point of coppers.

I would think it better to be dead than live with the guilt of being a coward.


But for a long while people have been conditioned to think differently.


Not everybody thank God.

You might say that you have standing orders to engage the threat in those situations.