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Gotta neighbor kid I watched grow up. He's a AF guy, all he ever did his entire career was work those air shows. He spent most all his time working out of Great Falls, he retired last fall. The amount of money they went through on fuel alone was crazy.
It's the equivalent of a police department putting on demonstration shows of what badazzes they could be driving their cruisers.
They do things more like wheelchair basketball benefits. The Airforce should consider something more like that.
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Those air show's are a huge needless waste of tax dollars. You're right, of course. Those tax dollars could best be used to pay for free housing, free food, free medical and hospitalization, free cell phones, free beer and whisky, free drugs, and free lotto tickets for all the illegal aliens pouring across our southern border plus all the welfare cheats already sucking at the tax payers' teat. L.W. Or they could just lower their budget which could lower our taxes
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Look up sometime how much fuel is used daily by UPS, or FEDEX, or Amazon to being you "Made In China" junk. Not tax dollars, but they come out of your pocket, too.
The only thing more expensive than a strong military is a weak military.
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Air shows are more of a recruiting tool than training. The idea of getting to play with all those wonderful toys and getting paid to do it is a powerful incentive. It's more of a deceptive tease for recruiting. How many kids that join the AF ever some much as gets to park their azz in one of those planes let alone fly one?
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But some DO get to fly them. Or work on them, or support them in some way.
How many kids get to drive NASCAR?
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Air shows are more of a recruiting tool than training. The idea of getting to play with all those wonderful toys and getting paid to do it is a powerful incentive. It's more of a deceptive tease for recruiting. How many kids that join the AF ever some much as gets to park their azz in one of those planes let alone fly one? If they are worth half a chit, they do get a ride. We've flown everyone from SERE to personalists to the Airmen running the post office. That said, there is a whole lot more to getting airplanes in the air than just those that fly them. And lastly, if you were ever privy to a sliver of the planning and work that goes into an airshow, demonstrations, etc, you would realize how valuable of a training op it is.
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Look up sometime how much fuel is used daily by UPS, or FEDEX, or Amazon to being you "Made In China" junk. Not tax dollars, but they come out of your pocket, too. I'm reaching hard for the relevancy there but I can't quite touch it. The only thing more expensive than a strong military is a weak military. And those air shows are what makes us stronger?
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Air shows are more of a recruiting tool than training. The idea of getting to play with all those wonderful toys and getting paid to do it is a powerful incentive. It's more of a deceptive tease for recruiting. How many kids that join the AF ever some much as gets to park their azz in one of those planes let alone fly one? If they are worth half a chit, they do get a ride. We've flown everyone from SERE to personalists to the Airmen running the post office. That said, there is a whole lot more to getting airplanes in the air than just those that fly them. And lastly, if you were ever privy to a sliver of the planning and work that goes into an airshow, demonstrations, etc, you would realize how valuable of a training op it is. Yeah, somebody's gotta scrub the windshield and change the tires. Believe me, there is nothing about those shows the neighbor kid hasn't told me 20 times over.
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Those air show's are a huge needless waste of tax dollars. Yes, a B-52 making a 100-ft high pass down the runway while spitting out rivets is so wasteful (said my buddy who replaced said rivets at Carswell AFB)
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Air shows are more of a recruiting tool than training. The idea of getting to play with all those wonderful toys and getting paid to do it is a powerful incentive. It's more of a deceptive tease for recruiting. How many kids that join the AF ever some much as gets to park their azz in one of those planes let alone fly one? If they are worth half a chit, they do get a ride. We've flown everyone from SERE to personalists to the Airmen running the post office. That said, there is a whole lot more to getting airplanes in the air than just those that fly them. And lastly, if you were ever privy to a sliver of the planning and work that goes into an airshow, demonstrations, etc, you would realize how valuable of a training op it is. Yeah, somebody's gotta scrub the windshield and change the tires. Believe me, there is nothing about those shows the neighbor kid hasn't told me 20 times over. No, I don't believe you. You do not have the knowledge of what a military movement takes, even at the lower levels. How that planning for the airshow is directly correlated to an actual combative movement. How the planning of the show contents itself is akin to a strike op on our enemies. It is all related, and certainly not a waste.
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I've got memories of B-52's lining up NE of Carswell AFB to land right before DFW Airport opened for commercial operations, before that I was beneath the Grand Prairie Naval Air Station flight pattern during the 1960's in Irving, Texas. I saw everything fly right over my backyard.
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I could careless what you believe. This kid was just a enlisted man but he retired a Chief Master Sargent and air shows are what his entire career was about. I'll take his word over yours.
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His entire career was only airshows and he made it to CMSgt, huh? You seem to be missing a good bit of the story. But keep on keeping on, man! lol
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His entire career was only airshows and he made it to CMSgt, huh? You seem to be missing a good bit of the story. But keep on keeping on, man! lol Yes, I'm sure you know more about the kid next door to me than I do.
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His entire career was only airshows and he made it to CMSgt, huh? You seem to be missing a good bit of the story. But keep on keeping on, man! lol Yes, I'm sure you know more about the kid next door to me than I do. I am saying you don't know what you think you know. There is no Airshow career field.
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First air show I recall was at Palm Beach AFB in the mid '50s. Thunderbirds were flying F100s and closed the show with a low level diamond formation as I recall...supersonic. Big Booms!
I am..........disturbed.
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Damn I forgot that was today. Only an hour away. Something flew over Park City the other day but I never saw it just heard the boom. Amazing.
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We lived in Midland for a couple of years and thoroughly enjoyed the airshow there. http://www.airsho.org/performers.html
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Those air show's are a huge needless waste of tax dollars. Spoken like a man who never served, in ANY branch of the military.
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Per Wikipedia, Malmstrom Air Force Base at Great Falls, MT has been closed to fixed wing aircraft operations since 1996, still used for helicopter ops. Place looks like a ghost town. Those must have been some pretty exciting air shows your neighbor worked. The T-Birds are based at Nellis AFB here in the Vegas Valley.
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