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Never received any instruction other than how to line up the sights. Given BB gun, .410, and little later .22 and turned loose. What could current you have taught young you and would you have progressed faster? Having taken a few carbine and pistol course I think real instruction can add a lot of value. Yeah and for $200 Gin Blossom Burns can teach you to shoot rocks at 300yds with the $4K rifle you were stupid enough to buy from him. LOL https://wyomingarms.com/product/1-2-day-training-with-your-wyoming-arms-rifle/
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Never received any instruction other than how to line up the sights. Given BB gun, .410, and little later .22 and turned loose. What could current you have taught young you and would you have progressed faster? Having taken a few carbine and pistol course I think real instruction can add a lot of value. Like Hogan, you dig it out of the dirt. Current me couldn’t teach young me schit about shooting, or for that matter actual hunting. I was a better shot and much better at moving slowly and quietly as a kid than I am now.
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Apparently the tree hugging free loving flag burning Boomers are fine.
Them fugging Gen Xers on the other hand. You're headed to the ignore jail !!! congratz  Not many kids today can learn to shoot like I did and lots of kids did when I was a kid. I didn’t learn with a .22 or a centerfire. I learned flinging BBs at the local songbirds nearly every day for ten years or so. A couple hundred thousand BBs provided a pretty good foundation. The shots were almost entirely from field positions and under some time pressure. I later graduated to squirrels and such.
I have no use for prone position. It’s pretty much useless in my area for hunting because of vegetation. If there is a tree or a post handy, I’ll use it. My favorite thing and one for which there is almost always time is to drop to a seated position. That’s a great rest and deer do not quite know what to make of it. If a deer sees a standing human, he is taking off. It takes him a few seconds to figure out a seated human and that is where you make your shot. I can shoot offhand and do pretty frequently but it is never my first choice when hunting.
I’ve shot deer resting on blinds, tractor tires, tractor steering wheels, sticks, trees, truck doors, truck beds, fence posts, boat trailers, logs, skidder tires, and half a dozen other things I can’t remember. I also shot quite few seated and offhand.
I guess I’d be pretty useless past 400 yards. It’s not really useful where I hunt and it would be a pain to even find a place to practice it. But I guess I’m a Luddite anyway. I do hunt with receiver sights quite a bit and have killed most of my deer over the last few years with a receiver sighted 45-70 or longbow. That's about my story, I learned w/a BB gun and bought the BB's with money I earned. What I've seen in most youts is they get handed a 333/555 bulk pack of ammo and use it to make noise with through a semi-auto 22lr. Pointing and emptying the rifle as fast as they can pull the trigger. Riding with a friend one day we had a 22 cal. pellet gun in truck, lawn guy had just mowed the grass at a country store and a couple of big crows were pecking at the ground 30-35 feet max. His son who can't hit the side of a barn from the inside took a shot at the big crow with a solid rest, I had made sure the scope was turned down to 3-4X. I saw where the pellet hit, he missed it by 3', the crow just flinched its wings looked around and kept pecking in the grass. Helped him get another pellet in the gun 30-35 ''feet'' he missed again and yes the gun was sighted in perfect. I turned around [crew-cab truck] and asked him how in the hell could you miss that, he just gave me a dumb look. He had learned to shoot just like I mentioned, bulk pack 555 walmart and shoot mag-dump style until it was gone. On top of that -dangerous as hell with a gun, he'd have it pointed in your head if you didn't keep a constant eye on him, 23-24 years old at the time. No 333 or 555 round packs were ever made when this Gen Xer was growing up in the 80s. 100 round slide tops or maybe a brick if I saved enough.
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My generation? That is funny. I'm 53. Thanks for assuming though. I hunt with people that age anywhere from 71 to 26. I don't judge based on age just on whether they can shoot straight, be safe, and get the job done. And I see a lot of young men out here in this part of the world getting it done just as good as their parents and grandparents did. Of course depending on where you live, that may not be the case. But that was true 30 years ago too. See, even you don't want to be mistaken for a millennial.
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Around here, we don't worry about our kids being able to shoot. We worry more about teaching them about private property rights.
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I served with a lot of fellas that were millennials and whatever and it didn’t seem to matter when they were born, most all were good Marines, soldiers and sailors that were first to excellent riflemen.
I think someone mentioned labeling a person cause of when they were born is pretty silly.
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Around here, we don't worry about our kids being able to shoot. We worry more about teaching them about private property rights. Boy that was a good one, lieutenant.
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Dumpster fire fill with stupid....
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I get that hunting has changed, but I grew up hunting in front of dogs. Shots were almost always moving and sometimes running flat out. The emphasis was on getting bullets into deer. Not waiting for the perfect shot, or heaven forbid, making a clean kill.
Like I said, I know things have changed but I do think we emphasize the perfect over good enough too much. It doesn’t matter much how small the groups are as long as they are small enough and you need to aim at the vital zone on a deer instead of trying to pick a tick to shoot at through your 18x scope at 75 yards. That’s practical marksmanship. You do make some good points on the topic. but as you you "grew up hunting in front of dogs", what were those dogs doing behind you?
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I operate on principles and my teaching reflects same.
When teaching any shooter I try to instill that mobility and stability is a scale that can tip any which way at any time. You cannot gain stability without sacrificing some level of mobility. Conversely, you cannot gain mobility without sacrificing some level of stability.
Shooting is a thinking man's game and it behooves the shooter to have this instilled on day one. Most real world shot placement is going to be unique and require fluidity when the shooter attempts to make the shot. This is applicable in all aspects of shooting. Be it an Active Shooter situation, your first deer, or a USPSA match. The shooter should learn every aspect of the shooting discipline and be prepared to deliver accordingly.
Overall I do agree that the majority of young hunters rely heavily on some form of rest and I believe this is due to decades of "be sure of your shot" type instruction. Fine for beginner level instruction, but please ensure your kid/grandkid/pupil understands that is Tier One level instruction.
If somebody wants to be a well rounded shooter, they should be adept in the offhand. Just found this thread. Amen, brother. Field Marksmanship - has generally become a skill displaced. GR
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Why not just call in "arty" or an "air strike?"
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Why not just call in "arty" or an "air strike?" Can you do that from your "Stephen Hawking" deluxe Lead-Sled wheelchair? GR
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I’m not sure how many of you western guys have hunted back east but picking a 150 yard shot through a pine thicket requires a pretty damn good rest. Shooting off a ruck gets difficult in the woods on flat ground.
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Why not just call in "arty" or an "air strike?" Can you do that from your "Stephen Hawking" deluxe Lead-Sled wheelchair? GR If I had a wheelchair I'd still be doing circles around you.
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Why not just call in "arty" or an "air strike?" Can you do that from your "Stephen Hawking" deluxe Lead-Sled wheelchair? GR Yeah man Dont even need to lift a finger. Blowpipe activated trigger system, rifle mounted to the chair. Get some elk farm on a sympathy guilt trip to line up a big bull on a food pile for ya.
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I have always done whatever I need to do to make a good shot, but shooting from a rest is frankly a rudimentary skill.
An advanced rifleman is not only able to shoot from any support available, but also has a degree of skill shooting without support.
It's great if kids can shoot from a rest, but don't end their education there.
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ability are so lousy today that all hunters have to tote a tripod with vise to support the rifle!! Nothing like having commercialism to kill the ability to learn effective field shooting procedure by employing one more gimmick!! ^^^ Not a troll! ^^^ LOL
Screw you! I'm voting for Trump again!
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ability are so lousy today that all hunters have to tote a tripod with vise to support the rifle!! Nothing like having commercialism to kill the ability to learn effective field shooting procedure by employing one more gimmick!! ^^^ Not a troll! ^^^ LOL And then one comes across something like this: "Ode to the Crutch" - by Craig Boddington Five Field Shooting Positions You Should KnowMarksmanship... as a Last Resort. GR
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I watched a guy go thru 2 boxes of 30-30 ammo standing up sighting in his side mount win 94 to no avail a few yrs ago still think about it today
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You sure it wasn't a Garand?
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