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It's not my interpretation. I quote the verse without interpretation.

Again; 17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.''

And of course, it is the Christian who interprets ''until everything that is accomplished'' to mean the blood sacrifice, and that this abolished the law of the prophets even though it is clearly stated: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets.

Can you see the dilemma? Jesus states that he had not come to abolish the law of the prophets, yet proceeds to do so.

This hinges on the interpretation of ''until everything is accomplished.'' - which if taken to mean that the blood sacrifice abolished the law of the prophets, the promise Jesus made - Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets- is false.

This is not my ''interpretation'' because the terms and conditions are set in the quotes verses. It is the Christian who interprets and creates a contradiction.

There is no contradiction if what Jesus said is true, and he did not abolish the law of the prophets as stated.

I did say atheist, but it makes no difference to the point: Carl Sagan did not believe in the existence of a God or gods...which is atheism.

He preferred agnosticism. Agnostics do not believe in God. It's a moot point.

The real error antlers quoting Sagan - who did not believe in god - in support of theism.

But of course, that is conveniently ignored.

Ok....antlers made an error and you made an error.....happy?

Sagan is someone who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God.

Again, again, again.... when the law you are referring to was introduced, it was never intended to be the instrument by which man would save himself, but it was the instrument through which man was to be saved. In a very real sense, man is saved through the fulfillment (keeping) of the law. When Christ fulfilled the law, he earned the privilege of life. Those who are in Christ, likewise, share in his righteousness and are declared righteous right alongside him. In that sense, the law has always stood and will continue to stand.

That being said, though, it's important to realize that we basically choose whether the law applies to us individually or not -- through grace, we can choose to be in Christ, or we can choose to stand on our own merits when we're judged. In that sense, too, the law still stands.

Why can't you agree to disagree and be done with it, or do you just want to go on and on and on and on like the energizer bunny that we see in ads on TV?

I quoted Carl Sagan above simply because even he…being an agnostic…clearly disagreed with DBT’s assertion above.

Everybody worships something.

Great statement!

This fine young gentleman said that.

He also said, he was to the point that he borrowed a handgun and started to, 'eat it", before he saw the Light.

17Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. 18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.''

You are taking fragments and using them to support your argument. He says “I have not come to abolish them, but to FULFILL them”.

18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.''

AcesNeights,

Yep. I think you see clearly and correctly. On ‘all’ points.

Jesus’ is clearly talking about the Mosaic Law in this entire passage. And when He says “until everything is accomplished” in this passage (as in the above translation), He is specifically referring to everything ‘in’ the Mosaic Law…until everything written in ‘it’ happens; until ‘it’s’ purpose is achieved…and Jesus clearly said that He fulfilled the Mosaic Law. The Mosaic Law’s purpose was fully achieved by Jesus.

It has zero to do with future events, such as those in the Book of Revelation.

That's not true.

I agree. Most people nowadays seem to worship money and ‘stuff’.

You might want to sit down for this. Some of what Carl wrote:

"Plainly there is no way back. Like it or not, we are stuck with science. We had better make the best of it. When we finally come to terms with it and fully recognize its beauty and its power, we will find, in spiritual as well as in practical matters, that we have made a bargain strongly in our favor.

But superstition and pseudoscience keep getting in the way, distracting us, providing easy answers, dodging skeptical scrutiny, casually pressing our awe buttons and cheapening the experience, making us routine and comfortable practitioners as well as victims of credulity."

...and....


"“Spirit” comes from the Latin word “to breathe.” What we breathe is air, which is certainly matter, however thin. Despite usage to the contrary, there is no necessary implication in the word “spiritual” that we are talking of anything other than matter (including the matter of which the brain is made), or anything outside the realm of science. On occasion, I will feel free to use the word. "



You can't be utterly and completely wrong all the time Antlers, you just can't.


Just remember that any premise beginning with "God made..." or "God created..." is invalid despite any evasive side arguments. I rest my case, and here endeth the lesson.

Over and above the other of your failures, you are delusional if you believe what you posted.

Just remember that any premise beginning with "God made..." or "God created..." is invalid despite any evasive side arguments.

No one is running out of stream....This is a big pat on the back for you CCCC, and a big kick in the rear for devilish mauser9mm....

Mark 9:24.
I Believe, Help My Unbelief".

You should remember that any premise based upon the presumption of no God or beginning with “I don’t know why/what/how [blank] happened but God didn’t…..” is invalid despite your deflection and obvious confusion.

Just because you wrongly believe what you posted doesn’t mean it’s true. 😉

"Materialism" or "naturalism" if you prefer, is an all-encompassing metaphysical view of reality. It is a religion with its own creation story (myth actually) and its own sacraments. It absolutely is a theology.

Simple, just prove your god.