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Federal lands, or Idaho lands?

Those low population communities have small voices when it comes to opposing the country's energy needs.

The environmental groups will stand down being its a Green Energy project.

Opponent will be systematically over ruled, just a predictable, expected bump in the road.

It's BLM lease at their standard per megawatt fees, a portion of which goes to Idaho School system.

Waste lands turned to profitable lands for state and nation.

One well designed nuke could replace thousands of windmills and thousands of miles of roads to build them.

Hardly wasteland.
It's land used by cattle, wildlife and hunters. May not be pretty to most driving through it but it gets used and to local benefit. These two projects lessen the local use and provides energy to liberal wastelands like Southern CA and NV. No thanks.

From what I'm understanding, there are tax credits(very minimal) but no subsidies. I'm thinking the school system isn't going to benefit much.
If any one has some hard numbers please post, I'd like to see them.

Edited to add, LS Energy allegedly has a history of setting up these projects, selling them and the buyers not following through with the BS LS sold the locals.

We've had our fill of lies from the feds on our public lands. When Clinton was president, he wanted to greatly expand the Craters of the Moon Nat. Monument which isn't all that far from the proposed Lava Ridge project. The BLM lands he proposed to add were heavily used by hunters. He promised that hunting would continue to be allowed in the expansion part. He finally suckered Idahoans into it and they added it to the Craters. Within a week, the Nat. Park Svc closed the new addition to hunting. It was all a blatant lie. We did finally get it back but it literally took a special act of congress to do it.

With every tiny detail regarding these projects being posted in numerous locations online, why form an emotionally based opinion from hearsay and rumor?

Do your own research, learn the facts and details.

Little things like this pop right up about these projects.

Idaho Power will purchase the energy under a 20-year power purchase agreement. The company will initially pay $21.75 per megawatt-hour (MWh), which is less than 2.2 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh). The agreement includes the potential for Idaho Power to purchase the facility as well as buy energy from a proposed expansion at a slightly higher price.

The agreement will help to replace energy produced by the North Valmy coal-fired plant in Nevada, where Idaho Power recently agreed to end operations. Once the solar array is built, it will connect to an existing transmission line that currently delivers energy from the North Valmy plant.

Yea but you would not be enriching China by doing that.

Why should we believe a group that does nothing but lie about this so-called "Technology".? .Its simple math Leroy, find out how much each unit costs to construct, its maintenance and its work life. You can then divide that by the number of homes it will power. Even a simpleton like you will find out that the costs are 6x over what they are currently paying for electricity and it is not a constant source of electricity.

I'm right here in the middle of it and the info varies so greatly depending on where it comes from.
But thanks anyway for copy and pasting off of the Google machine with [bleep] I've already read....

Actually that was from the IdahoPower website but whatever...

If it is proposed to be on BLM managed surface, the project would be on a Right of Way, and wouldn’t be sold no matter what the uninformed folks on this board think.

It’ll be tied up and basically not available for public purposes, but it wouldn’t be sold. I don’t like these projects for many, many reasons but this is a misnomer that for whatever reason is widely believed by folks on this board.

Hey...did you guys hear that coal is being phased out?

I know right?!

Anyone that believes those windmills are going to replace anything is dumber than a box of rocks. The only ones who benefited from the windmills above Hagerman were the land owners that let them put those eyesores up.

Good thing you claified....

I did not, but I did hear that Roy died.

Like, OMG!

AC electricity is NOT store able. Period....

Shut yo mouth!

That's not all. Biden is also going to shut down the Permian Basin.

Lots of bright minds working on short and long term energy storage. The Finn's for example, are developing long term energy storage in sand, to carry summer solar into winter months.

The reason this is advancing as quickly as it is, is simply economics. Idaho Power is buying wind at 2.2 c (and selling it to me for a dime, thanks for nothing....). A nuke, you say? Try 7 c for cost. Yeah, I know, it's because of (insert political excuse here), but that's the economic reality. The intermittent nature of wind and solar (and tidal and hydro) is a disadvantage, but the low cost advantage leaves enough room to come up with ways to develop storage methods for that energy. And still be cheaper than coal.


https://www.rechargenews.com/energy...st-sand-based-energy-storage/2-1-1253027

Finnish technology outfit Polar Night Energy and compatriot utility Vatajankoski have switched on what is claimed to be the world’s first commercial sand-based thermal energy storage system, to back-up a local heating network in the west of the Nordic country.

The system set up adjacent to the power plant, which has 100kW heating power and 8MWh capacity, uses renewable energy to stoke up the sand to temperatures of 500-600C, ‘discharging’ to provide heat for the Kankaanpää district.

“The construction of the storage went well, especially considering that the solution is completely new. We managed to get everything in order despite some challenges and a short delay. Now the sand is already hot,” said Polar Night CTO Markku Ylönen, in a LinkedIn post.

“We have already learnt that our system has even more potential than we initially calculated. It’s been a positive surprise.”

“This innovation is a part of the smart and green energy transition. Heat storages can significantly help to increase intermittent renewables in the electrical grid. At the same time, we can prime the waste heat to usable level to heat a city. This is a logical step towards combustion-free heat production.”

Vatajankoski uses the heat from the Polar Night system, based around a steel four metre by seven metre container holdings “hundreds of tonnes” of sand, to prime the waste heat recovered from its data servers, which depending on the season needs to be heated up from 60°C to 75–100°C before being fed into the district heating network.

“Production of renewable energy sources such as wind and solar power is highly volatile, and only partly overlapping with the consumption in time,” said Ylönen.

“As these volatile electricity sources increase rapidly in societies, more and more energy storages are needed. Our technology provides a way to refine cheap and clean surplus electricity to valuable heat in an affordable way to be used when most needed.”

Polar Night currently also has a 3MWh test pilot project in Hiedanranta, Tampere, that is partly-charged up by a small solar array and connected to a local district heating grid to provide heat “for a couple of buildings”.

Sand-based energy storage if one of several long-duration thermal concepts heading for commercialisation, with outfits including Stiesdal Storage Technologies and Siemens Gamesa also advancing

Between 25GW and 35GW of long-duration energy storage (LDES) will be installed globally worldwide by 2025, amounting to about 1TWh and $50bn of investment, according to a report by the recently formed LDES Council.