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Iâd rather be persecuted and get wrung the the wringer for killing an armed tranny walking into a school than live with myself for not taking the shot. I donât know how any of these officers havenât killed themselves yet, and I hate the idea of police suicide. Hindsight is 20/20 I donât buy it. Ask me before or after in these circumstances and my answer is same. We have an active shooter who just shot his grandmother, crashed a truck and walking into a school. Thatâs not hindsight. Thatâs common sense. Yes it is. The officer didnât have all of that information at the time Then what was he doing on site, aiming at the suspect with a rifle? I assume the information he had was that a truck crashed and the suspect got out and shot at the funeral home employees. When he arrived he saw a guy walking across the field with a rifle. I guarantee you he didnât have information that he shot his grandmother in the face, knew he was a tranny, and knew he was going to go into that school and murder 21 people. Of course if he knew that he wouldâve taken him down immediately. What if the guy walking across the field was a citizen who is taking the law into his own hands to stop a shooter? I donât believe he actually witnessed the guy shooting. If heâs arriving on the scene with little information he has a lot of fast decisions to make some of which could cost him his job and his life so he wants to be sure Especially in todayâs bullshit political climate Thatâs all fair, under those basic assumptions you made. But the grandmother called from my understanding. I guess that leads to more questions. What the hell was going on with the dispatchers? There does seem to be a huge lack of communication on that front. Again, three minutes from wrecking truck to school entry.
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The incompetence didnât start with the cops. How did the shooter fire shots outside of the school and mosey his ass across the parking lot without the school staff sounding alarms and locking all the doors? Who was manning the front office? How long does it take to lock the doors and how did the teachers not know to do this? They had time. That's all addressed in the timeline and video. You should read and watch them. I would say those issues are noted in the report rather than being addressed. The report says that the exterior door is usually locked, but it wasnât this day. Why? The report goes on to say that the door could be breached by shooting through the glass, but even that would have given the officers time to engage the suspect prior to entry. As for the teacher who went outside and saw the shooter coming (female 1), she failed to explicitly note a shooter, but rather told kids to get in their rooms. That is a failure on her part that could be easily explained by the stress of the situation on an individual who isnât trained or capable of making rational decisions in those circumstances. What the report doesnât seem to address is the lack of an alarm system . All schools have alarms for fires and emergencies. In todayâs world, students and teachers are at much greater risk of a school shooter than being killed by fire/smoke. We are focusing heavily on the police response, but glossing over the school response. Like I said, they had time. It took a few minutes from the accident until the shooter entered the building. The crash was witnessed, the shots outside were heard, he shot into the school before entry. All the teachers had to do, even after failing to lock the exterior doors, was give the alarm once the shooting began and lock the the doors to their classrooms. The report says the doors had to be locked from the hallway with a key. Did the teachers not have these keys? Ultimately, my point is all the failures donât make sense. Yes, a failure of a particular system is possible, but a top to bottom failure at all levels is just too coincidental. We can ridicule the conspiracy theorists all we want, but the idea that some malfeasance occurred is more likely to me than a total breakdown of all security and response actions leading up to and during the shooting. The SRO/School police chief is suspect to me. He is a politician. I could easily see any individual being politically motivated, not necessarily to the extent of wanting children to die to achieve some political goal, but manipulated and coerced with money or some for of blackmailing buy our obviously corrupt government? Absolutely. Thatâs why I asked those questions, and we still donât have answers. I suspect that we never will. The report is going to note facts and not conclusions. But based on those facts outlined in the report I'd say it's pretty clear that, that school is every bit the colossal fugk up that the town is. Cops, politicians, schools. They're all a fugking joke in this situation. No question. But donât you think itâs possible that someone motivated/coerced the school police chief to unlock that door? And the shooter walks directly to that door? School police chief than tells officers to to barricade hold rather than neutralize threat? Then claim confusion of who was scene commander? It really doesnât seem that farfetched to me. Who unlocked the door? Why? Thatâs the burning question that I have. We also need to know what was in the officerâs mind that could have shot the shooter outside. Was there training on shooting armed suspects leading up to this shooting that may have reinforced a need to clearance to shoot and armed suspect? Yes, the environment for cops now is bad, but shooting the suspect was a no brained, unless the officer was trained otherwise. If he was, than how, where, when and why? So, you dont think it was a fluke of bad luck the locks didnt work that day and the video didnt work and the gurads fell asleep on Epstiens day and the videos didnt work when Epsteins pedo bud hung himself in a French prison a few weeks ago? Freaking conspiracy theorist, huh? And no one had a key when they didnt even need one? My wife was a principal at Midland High and janitors, head teachers, dept chairs, and all assistant principals had master keys and that was years ago. Seems like every BS lie they came up with gets found out.
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I assume the information he had was that a truck crashed and the suspect got out and shot at the funeral home employees. When he arrived he saw a guy walking across the field with a rifle. I guarantee you he didnât have information that he shot his grandmother in the face, knew he was a tranny, and knew he was going to go into that school and murder 21 people. Of course if he knew that he wouldâve taken him down immediately.
What if the guy walking across the field was a citizen who is taking the law into his own hands to stop a shooter? I donât believe he actually witnessed the guy shooting. If heâs arriving on the scene with little information he has a lot of fast decisions to make some of which could cost him his job and his life so he wants to be sure Especially in todayâs bullshit political climate Pretty recently police in Colorado shot a guy who had just stopped an active shooter. Police mistakenly kill heroDENVER, June 25 (Reuters) - A Colorado man who fatally shot a gunman who had just killed a police officer was himself slain by a responding officer who apparently mistook him for the cop killer, authorities said on Friday.
Johnny Hurley, 40, was shot while holding a rifle belonging to a 59-year-old man who moments earlier had fatally ambushed police officer Gordon Beesley, police in the Denver suburb of Arvada said in a statement.
Hurley shot Ronald Troyke with a handgun. It was unclear why he picked up the dead man's weapon.
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Iâm not saying there was malfeasance, but Iâm not saying there wasnât. If there was, I wouldnât be surprised. In todayâs world where we all agree here that we have a corrupt government that covers for their own, persecutes their opposition, and seemingly will sell their country out for another dollar, killing a few kids for âa greater political goodâ doesnât seem too far fetched.
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They should put electronic locks in schools so that any teacher or administrator can push a button and lock every door at the same time. So who exactly is the "They" in your post? Do the schools in your area have such a system? Have you thought through any downsides besides the cost of such a system? What happens in a fire? Fail safe/Fail secure, do some research dumbass. Pretty simple really Well get it done. If you believe that's a simple answer to stopping school shooting why are you sitting on you azz posting on the internet and not saving kids?
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I assume the information he had was that a truck crashed and the suspect got out and shot at the funeral home employees. When he arrived he saw a guy walking across the field with a rifle. I guarantee you he didnât have information that he shot his grandmother in the face, knew he was a tranny, and knew he was going to go into that school and murder 21 people. Of course if he knew that he wouldâve taken him down immediately.
What if the guy walking across the field was a citizen who is taking the law into his own hands to stop a shooter? I donât believe he actually witnessed the guy shooting. If heâs arriving on the scene with little information he has a lot of fast decisions to make some of which could cost him his job and his life so he wants to be sure Especially in todayâs bullshit political climate Pretty recently police in Colorado shot a guy who had just stopped an active shooter. Police mistakenly kill heroDENVER, June 25 (Reuters) - A Colorado man who fatally shot a gunman who had just killed a police officer was himself slain by a responding officer who apparently mistook him for the cop killer, authorities said on Friday.
Johnny Hurley, 40, was shot while holding a rifle belonging to a 59-year-old man who moments earlier had fatally ambushed police officer Gordon Beesley, police in the Denver suburb of Arvada said in a statement.
Hurley shot Ronald Troyke with a handgun. It was unclear why he picked up the dead man's weapon. Exactly. Lots of decisions to make as an officer as well as a Good Samaritan
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Love how this story has made everyone on the fire a law enforcement tactical operations expert.
đ I say a whole pile of Fire guys would have done a whole lot mo'better than the PROFESSNULLS done. If youd have had a kid in there would you rather have let the cops have their way or guys like RBBar, Col Travis,JG, and a bunch of others on here?
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Love how this story has made everyone on the fire a law enforcement tactical operations expert.
đ I say a whole pile of Fire guys would have done a whole lot mo'better than the PROFESSNULLS done. If youd have had a kid in there would you rather have let the cops have their way or guys like RBBar, Col Travis,JG, and a bunch of others on here? I completely agree.
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They should put electronic locks in schools so that any teacher or administrator can push a button and lock every door at the same time. So who exactly is the "They" in your post? Do the schools in your area have such a system? Have you thought through any downsides besides the cost of such a system? What happens in a fire? Fail safe/Fail secure, do some research dumbass. Pretty simple really Well get it done. If you believe that's a simple answer to stopping school shooting why are you sitting on you azz posting on the internet and not saving kids? It's actually very simple, prisons have been using fail safe/fail secure locks for years. It's the money that's the rub. Maybe if the Gov't hadn't sent BILLIONS to Ukraine for your hero they'd pony up the funds to the schools. Dumb Fugk
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After Columbine US Lawmen made the decision that instead of thinking, the new program would to be NATIONALLY to go to the gunfire.
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After Columbine US Lawmen made the decision that instead of thinking, the new program would to be NATIONALLY to go to the gunfire. I guess Uvalde didnât get the memo
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A few observations:
The 148 yard shot. Given the readiness and preparation on the part of all city LE on site Iâd say that shot was about 147 yards too far. Give someone with the wherewithal of this traveling circus an AR with red dot and pace off 148 long steps. Tell them to stand and shoot the silhouette target you just placed down range. Itâs entirely likely youâll get a response something like âWhat target?â
The unlocked exterior door. Iâm not Gods gift to doors and windows operation but I know all the secured doors Iâve been in contact with are of the automatic locking type. That is you can open them from the inside, most often with a push bar type mechanism, but the door remains locked from the outside. Yes the locking feature can be overridden with a key so outside entry is accessible by anyone that can pull the door open or cheated with a rock blocking closure. The unlock mode is most often used in areas of common use, not at the back of a school accessing an unguarded parking lot. Someone intentionally defeated the auto locking feature.
The classroom door lock. It has been stated and reported the classroom door could be locked only from the outside. I think somebody is either awfully mistaken, not truthful, or truthful about a situation that is unbelievably stupid. If this is the case itâs possible to lock the children and instructors inside their classroom but impossible for the occupants of the room to lock danger out. Really?? The only time Iâve seen that is with isolation doors used to entrap an undesirable. Usually a small room with exit possible only with assistance from outside the entry or exit possible thru a second door not leading to the protected area that automatically locks from the inside.
Much of the above is conjecture based on my personal experience as well as the ability to evaluate a situation requiring a response. The only certainty is that there was enough stupid in Uvalde to fully contaminate 10 more cities. And there is still a lot of BS coverup.
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Your response, "What happens in a fire?", is a knee jerk reaction to a STX's post suggesting hardening schools with remotely operated door locks. Pretty sure the Fire Deptartment would ask the same question.
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Love how this story has made everyone on the fire a law enforcement tactical operations expert.
đ Itâs been posted here and Iâm assuming correctly that the SOP in an active school shooter scenario is simply go neutralize the bad guy. The school district police could have walked right in to the unlocked classroom same as the shooter. Itâs not too complicated if you have the will and basic knowledge.
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Your response, "What happens in a fire?", is a knee jerk reaction to a STX's post suggesting hardening schools with remotely operated door locks. Pretty sure the Fire Deptartment would ask the same question. Who do you know in the fire department?
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Pretty sure the Fire Deptartment would ask the same question. Who do you know in the fire department? Oh fug.
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It's actually very simple, prisons have been using fail safe/fail secure locks for years. It's the money that's the rub. Maybe if the Gov't hadn't sent BILLIONS to Ukraine for your hero they'd pony up the funds to the schools. Dumb Fugk Selling schools on the idea of prison doors seem like a tough sell. And of course the Putin Pufters are going to blame school shooing on Ukraine. I had Travis start this thread in an effort to keep it on topic. A few observations:
The 148 yard shot. Given the readiness and preparation on the part of all city LE on site Iâd say that shot was about 147 yards too far. Give someone with the wherewithal of this traveling circus an AR with red dot and pace off 148 long steps. Tell them to stand and shoot the silhouette target you just placed down range. Itâs entirely likely youâll get a response something like âWhat target?â
The unlocked exterior door. Iâm not Gods gift to doors and windows operation but I know all the secured doors Iâve been in contact with are of the automatic locking type. That is you can open them from the inside, most often with a push bar type mechanism, but the door remains locked from the outside. Yes the locking feature can be overridden with a key so outside entry is accessible by anyone that can pull the door open or cheated with a rock blocking closure. The unlock mode is most often used in areas of common use, not at the back of a school accessing an unguarded parking lot. Someone intentionally defeated the auto locking feature.
The classroom door lock. It has been stated and reported the classroom door could be locked only from the outside. I think somebody is either awfully mistaken, not truthful, or truthful about a situation that is unbelievably stupid. If this is the case itâs possible to lock the children and instructors inside their classroom but impossible for the occupants of the room to lock danger out. Really?? The only time Iâve seen that is with isolation doors used to entrap an undesirable. Usually a small room with exit possible only with assistance from outside the entry or exit possible thru a second door not leading to the protected area that automatically locks from the inside.
Much of the above is conjecture based on my personal experience as well as the ability to evaluate a situation requiring a response. The only certainty is that there was enough stupid in Uvalde to fully contaminate 10 more cities. And there is still a lot of BS coverup. I thought the class room doors could be locked from both sides but only with a key but that the door RM 111 lock was not working properly or had a bad strike plate. The shooter accessed RM 112 from inside RM 111 according to the latest timeline.
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I assume the information he had was that a truck crashed and the suspect got out and shot at the funeral home employees. When he arrived he saw a guy walking across the field with a rifle. I guarantee you he didnât have information that he shot his grandmother in the face, knew he was a tranny, and knew he was going to go into that school and murder 21 people. Of course if he knew that he wouldâve taken him down immediately.
What if the guy walking across the field was a citizen who is taking the law into his own hands to stop a shooter? I donât believe he actually witnessed the guy shooting. If heâs arriving on the scene with little information he has a lot of fast decisions to make some of which could cost him his job and his life so he wants to be sure Especially in todayâs bullshit political climate Pretty recently police in Colorado shot a guy who had just stopped an active shooter. Police mistakenly kill heroDENVER, June 25 (Reuters) - A Colorado man who fatally shot a gunman who had just killed a police officer was himself slain by a responding officer who apparently mistook him for the cop killer, authorities said on Friday.
Johnny Hurley, 40, was shot while holding a rifle belonging to a 59-year-old man who moments earlier had fatally ambushed police officer Gordon Beesley, police in the Denver suburb of Arvada said in a statement.
Hurley shot Ronald Troyke with a handgun. It was unclear why he picked up the dead man's weapon. Hero was stupidly standing over the perp he had just shot and jacking the perps gun to unload it. Stupid hurts.
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It's the 21st century. All kind of stuff is possible. Including pass thru doors that can be opened from inside even when locked. Sensors that signal a door not properly closed. Doors electronically locked, that, also unlock? The pass through is mechanical, Not reliant on signal or power, folks can get out.
If the system works, the doors could be simultaneously unlocked. Allowing easier acess to responders. Patched into the alarm so it can only be activated with the alarm, or, sets the alarm off.
If it can't be used to open in an emergency? So what? Normal locked doors can't either. They beat/pry them open everyday in emergencies.
Can't believe someone so tuned in to so many important people involved in defense, security, forced entry....is stymied by a lock. Sounds like a buisness opportunity for you. Develope such a simple system and convince schools to buy it. Easy peasy. You might want to delve a bit deep with the idea kids should be beating doors open in a fire. You have now solved school shooting, whatcha gonna get done this afternoon. It exists now Genius. The electronic part was in place in the 90s in buildings with a concern for security. Not necessarily the unlock all doors combined with the alarm, But the rest was there. Not NSA, I don't know special people. Just places like trucking companies and factories. "You might want to delve a bit deep with the idea kids should be beating doors open in a fire." You ever walk out of a building that has that bar you push to open it? The one located right where you intuitively push the door? The one where, even if folks were piled up trying to get out, something would very likely hit it and unlatch the door? Most of those can be locked on the outside, pass through from the inside. They too, are old and common. I'd bet that school has some.
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