Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire UVALDE SCHOOL SHOOTING - Timeline and Breakdown

deflave,
Thanks for posting. Really good factual dissecting of the f'up.

Well we can all have opinions and I will express mine when ever I feel the whim.

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Of all the issues with this disaster I find the cop not taking a hasty 148yds shot on a moving person he has not positively identified as the shooter one of the smallest.

To not understand that no city police force in the nation, much less in small town Uvalde, trains 148yds moving shots really means you don't even sort of grasp what was going on in that cops head.

You are free to Monday Morning Quarterback that to death, from your key board, but he did pass on his own assesment and was looking for validation for a risky shot from his chain of command.

He is.

But honestly, I don't know what people are expecting. You know who signs up to be a cop in Uvalde for $50k a year? A kid who wants to stay in his hometown but doesn't want to sweat a lot at work. They're not drawing from a really deep talent pool in Uvalde.

You can either recruit top talent or you can hope everything works out in Mayberry.

Again, you missed the substance of the post. The officer used his radio to ask for permission to shoot. The shoot/don't shoot decision was his and his alone.

Bingo! You said it perfectly. I have no idea what academy they go through. But up here all agencies minus APD go to the trooper academy in Sitka from my understanding it’s a very hard academy with a decent wash out rate. Which is what you want. If you can’t make a run and quit, what else will you quit on.

I didn't miss anything.

He choose to pass on a risky shot while not having positive ID on the shooter.

He wanted validation from his chain of command to take a shot he was not ever trained to take on a person he was not sure needed to be shot.

Of all the bad decisions that day this is very near the bottom and is the essense of Monday Morning Quarter Backing.

Very true.

While the cops there sucked, the Brass was horrid. NO leadership. None.

You are Monday Morning Quarterbacking yourself.

You don't know what type of shot the guy had. It may or may not have been a "risky shot" as you put it...

The guy may have been teed up like a golf ball, for all you know. Obviously, the cop had a clear enough picture to ID him as the shooter/armed intruder... Why else would have have asked for permission to engage?

Beav,

He was a medic and probably a doctor.

What's sad if even if he was just a beat cop sanatizing his hand is litterally an extremely smart thing to do if you are facing a mass shooting and will be rendering aid to wounded.

Most without real world experince think doctors use gloves to protect themselves, it's much more for the wounded to stop infections.

Should have been faster on the delete, Beav. The packs gonna be mad.

So we all agree none of us know what the shot looked like or what the cop had for the positive ID that is reqiured for the use of deadly force, Right?

We also know pretty much as a fact that Uvalde does not train their police force in 148yd moving targets.

I can guarantee you it was a risky shot. It was 148 yards, which was probably 98 yards further than he'd ever shot before. Imagine your longest shot ever, then triple the distance. And your rifle has a red dot and 8#, gritty, Mil-Spec trigger.

I've seen a lot of cops shoot, who were far better trained than UPD. I'd wager that the odds of him making the shot were less than 5%, outside of divine intervention.


Because he knew he couldn't hit the bad guy. And when he missed he wanted it to be someone else's fault...... "They told me I HAD to shoot."

You have the right to remain silent. You just don't have the good judgement to do so.

Yeah, judging from what I've personally seen on the police range, from your avg. cop, probably not an easy shot.

Now, if it had been you or I there, the guy probably would have been down kicking.

Sounds good unless I happen to be one of those out in the hallways when the locks are thrown, then at the very least I’m fumbling for my keys when seconds might count, if I had keys to fit adjacent doors.

I’d go with a simple mechanical lock thrown manually from the inside of the door.

. Incorrect. Asking leadership to make a shoot don’t shoot decision for him is a goddam embarrassment.

Hold under the hand sanitizer
Paul

Monday Morning Quarter Back safe behind his keyboard,

He made a decision to not shoot. You can second guess him all you want, won't change the decision.

Maybe you should hang up the spandex and bike helmet and join your local police force so you can make split second life and death decisions.

Post up the exact transcript of the cop's comunications with his chain of command.

Like I said of all the bad schitt that happened that day one cop not taking a risky shot at a person he had not PIDed is way down the list of things to dwell on.

But you have this one stuck in your craw and for some reason the emotion driving you is embarrasment?

This is such an awesome statement for a big chunk of the campfire forms...
But if everybody practice that it would not be near as entertaining

Honestly, I figured you thrived on the attention.

Or used to getting gang banged

Well stated, and irrefutable.