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Is it feasible to hack through an interior wall? That was a breaching technique thirty years ago. Yes, and it's one of the things ALERRT brought up in their AAR. But just like he had already done, he'd just shoot you as soon as you started knocking a hole in the sheetrock and pulling out insulation. It would be a good distraction as someone else made entry, but you're not gonna solve the problem alone doing that. What if I had a bazooka? Or a shape charge? Mr. Smarty Pants. I’m assuming that “hack through an interior wall” was code for “fire blindly through a wall into a room full of children because I’m helping”.
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Except the first guy through the classroom door did not get shot . Nor the second or third guy .
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Laffin’. They are passive from inside the class room. If you are talking a rescue or search operation during a fire, every school I know of has multiple Knox boxes with master keys. If not, a K-12 makes pretty short work of a door if used properly. Modern sprinkler systems have greatly reduced fire threat. I have built quit a few schools, everyone I’ve built in the past 10+ years has “classroom hardware” which once the door is closed, is only accessible by key. There is no way to override the lock.
Also, every classroom has a closer. Until I have recently been informally involved in similar training, the thought never crossed my mind the complexities a closer would cause on tactically entering a room with a closer.
Without some training and right tools, the average guy is not “breaching” a modern school door.
Not directed at anyone and not sure if TX has the same “code black” in regards to school construction and access control. What happens in a fire? ![[Linked Image from media.giphy.com]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7aTyXy0Xo6Kf1sRi/giphy.gif) What is a K-12? K-12, Well kids start off in Kindergarten (K) then1st grade, 2nd grade, 3rd grade, 4th grade, 5th grade, 6th grade, 7th grade, 8th grade, 9th grade (freshmen they get picked on) 10th grade, 11th grade, 12th grade (they pick on the freshmen)
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Except the first guy through the classroom door did not get shot . Nor the second or third guy . The first officers on scene were shot through the classroom door.
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“…after the Uvalde schools police chief failed to take charge, better-equipped departments should have stepped up to fill the leadership void.” https://apple.news/A2PBsmPmoQm-4XDRE8vSoig“In total, 376 law enforcement officers — a force larger than the garrison that defended the Alamo — descended upon the school in a chaotic, uncoordinated scene that lasted for more than an hour. The group was devoid of clear leadership, basic communications and sufficient urgency to take down the gunman,…”
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Except the first guy through the classroom door did not get shot . Nor the second or third guy . The first officers on scene were shot through the classroom door. Walls, accordin ta the timeline Flave linked.
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I have built quit a few schools, everyone I’ve built in the past 10+ years has “classroom hardware” which once the door is closed, is only accessible by key. There is no way to override the lock.
Also, every classroom has a closer. Until I have recently been informally involved in similar training, the thought never crossed my mind the complexities a closer would cause on tactically entering a room with a closer.
Without some training and right tools, the average guy is not “breaching” a modern school door.
Not directed at anyone and not sure if TX has the same “code black” in regards to school construction and access control. Apparently this school did not have these sort of doors and locks? The crazy boy was able to get in. I have not read this whole 200+ post discussion but what is the big issue with the medic washing his hands? Did that do something to change the outcome? The checkered shirt dude was a cop who had more Covid concerns for himself than the safety of the children. 🦫
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“…after the Uvalde schools police chief failed to take charge, better-equipped departments should have stepped up to fill the leadership void.” https://apple.news/A2PBsmPmoQm-4XDRE8vSoig“In total, 376 law enforcement officers — a force larger than the garrison that defended the Alamo — descended upon the school in a chaotic, uncoordinated scene that lasted for more than an hour. The group was devoid of clear leadership, basic communications and sufficient urgency to take down the gunman,…” Hey, there are newsmen and photographers there.
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Is it feasible to hack through an interior wall? That was a breaching technique thirty years ago. Yes, and it's one of the things ALERRT brought up in their AAR. But just like he had already done, he'd just shoot you as soon as you started knocking a hole in the sheetrock and pulling out insulation. It would be a good distraction as someone else made entry, but you're not gonna solve the problem alone doing that. What if I had a bazooka? Or a shape charge? Mr. Smarty Pants. I’m assuming that “hack through an interior wall” was code for “fire blindly through a wall into a room full of children because I’m helping”.  Saw where Mr. Casaday posted about that training where Fire, EMS, and Police all train together weekly for active shooter training. That's the way it's done!  Frankly I'm surprised y'all have the funds after what polticos did to y'all.... 
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I have built quit a few schools, everyone I’ve built in the past 10+ years has “classroom hardware” which once the door is closed, is only accessible by key. There is no way to override the lock.
Also, every classroom has a closer. Until I have recently been informally involved in similar training, the thought never crossed my mind the complexities a closer would cause on tactically entering a room with a closer.
Without some training and right tools, the average guy is not “breaching” a modern school door.
Not directed at anyone and not sure if TX has the same “code black” in regards to school construction and access control. Apparently this school did not have these sort of doors and locks? The crazy boy was able to get in. I have not read this whole 200+ post discussion but what is the big issue with the medic washing his hands? Did that do something to change the outcome? The checkered shirt dude was a cop who had more Covid concerns for himself than the safety of the children. 🦫 Little snotty nosed rug rats are full of dangerous pathogens. Walking, talking petri dishes i tell you.
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Laffin’. They are passive from inside the class room. If you are talking a rescue or search operation during a fire, every school I know of has multiple Knox boxes with master keys. If not, a K-12 makes pretty short work of a door if used properly. Modern sprinkler systems have greatly reduced fire threat. I have built quit a few schools, everyone I’ve built in the past 10+ years has “classroom hardware” which once the door is closed, is only accessible by key. There is no way to override the lock.
Also, every classroom has a closer. Until I have recently been informally involved in similar training, the thought never crossed my mind the complexities a closer would cause on tactically entering a room with a closer.
Without some training and right tools, the average guy is not “breaching” a modern school door.
Not directed at anyone and not sure if TX has the same “code black” in regards to school construction and access control. What happens in a fire? What is a K-12? A handheld circular saw designed for fire service. It is heavy and powerful and has been the standard for many years. mike r
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I know a guy that has an entry level job at a local elementary school. He just waves teachers through the gates and walks the grounds during the day.
He said five days after Robb Elementary he had to report three different doors being propped open. His report was met with eye rolls by all involved.
This is about 15 minutes from Parkland by the way.
School staff are some of the worst people walking the earth. I can remember back when school districts were first implementing security cameras and the first card key door lock systems. It was the teachers who pitched a bitch about being on camera and having their card key showing where they were going and coming back from. Smoke breaks was a big deal to teachers. 🦫
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Building clearing is 1 of the most dangerous jobs a solider has. The military can use explosives to berach entry. Not a viable tact in a school shooting Now hold on there, Mister. A well designed shape charge of ‘plastique’ is a master key. 😬🦫
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Laffin’. They are passive from inside the class room. If you are talking a rescue or search operation during a fire, every school I know of has multiple Knox boxes with master keys. If not, a K-12 makes pretty short work of a door if used properly. Modern sprinkler systems have greatly reduced fire threat. I have built quit a few schools, everyone I’ve built in the past 10+ years has “classroom hardware” which once the door is closed, is only accessible by key. There is no way to override the lock.
Also, every classroom has a closer. Until I have recently been informally involved in similar training, the thought never crossed my mind the complexities a closer would cause on tactically entering a room with a closer.
Without some training and right tools, the average guy is not “breaching” a modern school door.
Not directed at anyone and not sure if TX has the same “code black” in regards to school construction and access control. What happens in a fire? What is a K-12? ![[Linked Image from edarley.com]](https://www.edarley.com/media/catalog/product/cache/0b0f9262830dfdc0461ad9dc01e7260b/a/r/ar179_shdw_1_2.jpg)
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Except the first guy through the classroom door did not get shot . Nor the second or third guy . The first officers on scene were shot through the classroom door. Incorrect . They did not advance through the door.
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Laffin’. They are passive from inside the class room. If you are talking a rescue or search operation during a fire, every school I know of has multiple Knox boxes with master keys. If not, a K-12 makes pretty short work of a door if used properly. Modern sprinkler systems have greatly reduced fire threat. I have built quit a few schools, everyone I’ve built in the past 10+ years has “classroom hardware” which once the door is closed, is only accessible by key. There is no way to override the lock.
Also, every classroom has a closer. Until I have recently been informally involved in similar training, the thought never crossed my mind the complexities a closer would cause on tactically entering a room with a closer.
Without some training and right tools, the average guy is not “breaching” a modern school door.
Not directed at anyone and not sure if TX has the same “code black” in regards to school construction and access control. What happens in a fire? What is a K-12? Boy I missed the mark on that one by a country mile.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Laffin’. They are passive from inside the class room. If you are talking a rescue or search operation during a fire, every school I know of has multiple Knox boxes with master keys. If not, a K-12 makes pretty short work of a door if used properly. Modern sprinkler systems have greatly reduced fire threat. I have built quit a few schools, everyone I’ve built in the past 10+ years has “classroom hardware” which once the door is closed, is only accessible by key. There is no way to override the lock.
Also, every classroom has a closer. Until I have recently been informally involved in similar training, the thought never crossed my mind the complexities a closer would cause on tactically entering a room with a closer.
Without some training and right tools, the average guy is not “breaching” a modern school door.
Not directed at anyone and not sure if TX has the same “code black” in regards to school construction and access control. What happens in a fire? What is a K-12? Boy I missed the mark on that one by a country mile. It is quite the naming coincidence, being that the discussion is grade schools here.
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Laffin’. They are passive from inside the class room. If you are talking a rescue or search operation during a fire, every school I know of has multiple Knox boxes with master keys. If not, a K-12 makes pretty short work of a door if used properly. Modern sprinkler systems have greatly reduced fire threat. I have built quit a few schools, everyone I’ve built in the past 10+ years has “classroom hardware” which once the door is closed, is only accessible by key. There is no way to override the lock.
Also, every classroom has a closer. Until I have recently been informally involved in similar training, the thought never crossed my mind the complexities a closer would cause on tactically entering a room with a closer.
Without some training and right tools, the average guy is not “breaching” a modern school door.
Not directed at anyone and not sure if TX has the same “code black” in regards to school construction and access control. What happens in a fire? What is a K-12? Boy I missed the mark on that one by a country mile. It is quite the naming coincidence, being that the discussion is grade schools here. Well Iron Bender like 92 yrs. old so i figured he didn't make it past 8th grade. Had to take over the family chicken farm at 15.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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They have a MOLLE System for packing that? 🤷🏽♀️🦫
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