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It is the responsibility of every hunter, to recognize and accept whatever restrictions each of us may have.
Learn to work within the parameters of those restrictions and overcome what disabilities that can be negated.

If a uni-/bi-/tripod helps a hunter achieve clean kills, then sobeit!

I'm old.
I'm fat.
I'm tired.
I'm ugly.
I'm crippled.

I shoot an AR because my shoulder implant doesn't like recoil.
I sit in a box blind because I'm too crippled to walk and still hunt.
I I also sit in that box blind because I'm too crippled to climb trees and too smart to sit on a tree limb in foul weather.
My box blind has a shooting bench built in and sand bags to hold my rifle still.
I also hunt over a feeder. Without a feeder and a food plot, deer wouldn't even look at my hunting area.

I simply do what I have to do to get deer on front of my blind so that I may select the deer I want, not just what happens to come by.

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Originally Posted by martinstrummer
I'm old.
I'm fat.
I'm tired.
I'm ugly.
I'm crippled.

I shoot an AR because my shoulder implant doesn't like recoil.
I sit in a box blind because I'm too crippled to walk and still hunt.



Well,if you ever get too old to strum that Martin and want to sell it, let me know
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Originally Posted by SKane
When someone is offended about how others go about business, it's generally a given their personal album of field/trophy photos to be wafer-thin.

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Scopes are cheating over iron sights.
Breech loaders are cheating over ML.
Compound bows are cheating over recurve.
Bows are cheating over spears.
Atlati is cheating over hand thrown
Spears are cheating over rocks

All due to incompetents not getting the job done with the tool at hand as well as some "expert".

Damned cheaters! smile


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Originally Posted by Garandimal
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G seems to know a lot about unfounded pride. Into the "do not respond" Troll Pool he goes. Bye.

Dramatic.

Marksmanship's a skill.

If you can't shoot?

Stay off the podium.


Does a soldier need to shoot well? Good question.
I know of three cases in which excellent field marksmanship decided the action.
These were the Boers at Majuba Hill, the US Marines at Chateau Thierry,
and the Volksturm reservists at the Arnhem bridgehead.
There may be other such cases, but if so they are not widely documented.
Chroniclers are rarely interested in battle techniques,
so the fact that something is not reported certainly does not mean that it did not occur.
Nonetheless, good field marksmanship is a rarity − in or out of uniform.

What then is a good field marksman?
In my opinion, a man who can hit a tea cup at 100 meters with his first shot,
from a field position, in a 5 second interval is a good shot.
Try this test on yourself, but do not call for witnesses.
People who talk about good shots are usually terrible liars.

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Which branch of the military were you in??

Did you qualify as an above average shooter during basic training ??


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Originally Posted by las
Scopes are cheating over iron sights.
Breech loaders are cheating over ML.
Compound bows are cheating over recurve.
Bows are cheating over spears.
Atlati is cheating over hand thrown
Spears are cheating over rocks

All due to incompetents not getting the job done with the tool at hand as well as some "expert".

Damned cheaters! smile

Relativism.

If one needs crutches?

... then one is handicapped.

Not too complicated.




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Originally Posted by Garandimal
If one needs crutches?

... then one is handicapped.

Not too complicated.

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It's too bad they don't make crutches for the brain, you could use a pair.

Or better yet, a wheelchair.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
Originally Posted by Garandimal
If one needs crutches?

... then one is handicapped.

Not too complicated.

GR

It's too bad they don't make crutches for the brain, you could use a pair.

Or better yet, a wheelchair.

You are obviously upset.


Field Position Marksmanship, and the proper use of a sling.

The... horror.




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LOL, I'm not the one who's "upset" and I'm not the one telling people "how it should be done" ace, that would be you. Your thread title is hysterical and I don't mean funny.

I don't give a fugg how you choose to shoot.



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Originally Posted by smokepole
LOL, I'm not the one who's "upset" and I'm not the one telling people "how it should be done" ace, that would be you. Your thread title is hysterical and I don't mean funny.

I don't give a fugg how you choose to shoot.

Marksmanship... is.

And using crutches isn't.

That's all.


Be nice if the industry still supported it... instead of the consumer Special Olympics.




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Sell a sling everybody will buy instead of a tripod, bipod, or whatever.

The problem is that those devices do contribute to a humane death instead of a possible long, drawn out, and painful death due to gutshot. If they help with that, I'm all for it.

Marksmanship and the sense to use proper tools prevent lost game. How you go about it is up to you.

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Shooting on a square range with a loop-sling and irons is a discipline that tests marksmanship ability in a very controlled and repeatable way. Distances are known, the terrain is flat, there are no intermediate obstacles or vegetation, the firing line is groomed, range flags indicate wind speed and direction. The target is a large black bullseye on a larger white paper that is easy to see, and great contrast.

It makes sense when you consider it was a spinoff from military rifle training where people with little to no firearm experience needed to be trained quickly, efficiently, and to a measurable standard.

It's actually kind of silly to suggest that type of shooting is 'all you need' when hunting in all kinds of variable terrain, vegetation, and unknown distances, poor light, targets that blend into the terrain. and on and on.

There's a reason even the military snipers have evolved in their gear to all the modern kit. It enables delivering more accurate fire at longer distances, under field conditions.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
It makes sense when you consider it was a spinoff from military rifle training where people with little to no firearm experience ........

That would explain the OP's fascination with it.



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That or simply tryng to get a rise out of people.

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The treble hook was pretty effective.

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Originally Posted by Vic_in_Va
That or simply tryng to get a rise out of people.

You're probably right. How pathetic is that?



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So I’m confused. Is Garand complaining about Boddington using shooting aids and saying that because he’s military he’s weak and military guys should be the cream of the crop? In my experience as a law enforcement firearms I stricter over the last fourteen years, it’s been my experience that most LEO’s and that includes former military guys, can’t shoot for schidt. And I’ll tell you another thing, I’m really not too concerned when I go on a call to some scumbag with a gun cause they can’t hit the broadside of a barn. The guys I worry about are the dudes you get called on that have a wall full of antlers totin’ an ‘06..

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
Shooting on a square range with a loop-sling and irons is a discipline that tests marksmanship ability in a very controlled and repeatable way. Distances are known, the terrain is flat, there are no intermediate obstacles or vegetation, the firing line is groomed, range flags indicate wind speed and direction. The target is a large black bullseye on a larger white paper that is easy to see, and great contrast.

It makes sense when you consider it was a spinoff from military rifle training where people with little to no firearm experience needed to be trained quickly, efficiently, and to a measurable standard.

It's actually kind of silly to suggest that type of shooting is 'all you need' when hunting in all kinds of variable terrain, vegetation, and unknown distances, poor light, targets that blend into the terrain. and on and on.

There's a reason even the military snipers have evolved in their gear to all the modern kit. It enables delivering more accurate fire at longer distances, under field conditions.

You made an incongruous shift in you logic, from hunter to sniper.

Yes, KD/Field Position Marksmanship builds skills quickly.

But those skills, in turn, are readily applicable to the hunting fields as well.

The ability to build solid shooting positions and natural points of aim, shoot from standing/kneeling/sitting with a properly adjusted hasty sling, or quickly snap into a sitting or prone position with a cuff sling.


Snipers - start at Six-hundred yards.

Most hunting is done at less than Three.


Nothing wrong w/ using natural support if it's handy.

But bringing crutches, to replace shooting skills, is another thing.




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Garandimal

Do you have a sniping background?

Can you tell me where you got the information that "Snipers start at six-hundred yards."?


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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
Garandimal

Do you have a sniping background?

Can you tell me where you got the information that "Snipers start at six-hundred yards."?

Rifleman - are trained to < 4 MOA/500 yards.


< 3 MOA is not all the difficult with reasonable shooting skills.




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