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I’d to see a full tactical performance run along the southern border……numerous times! memtb


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Was expecting a pic of Nancy Pelosi on a plane.....


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Originally Posted by DigitalDan
So, how does one make a $150K aircraft cost millions and millions of $$$?

And it is still highly vulnerable to small arms fire! We've come a long way baby!

Millions of dollars worth of avionics.


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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
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So, it's an armed slow FAC. With 21st Century goodies replacing the Mk-1 eyeball. I think I know that mission.


Kinda thinking I would rather have an A-10 if it was my ass in the seat.

^^^THIS^^^

I'm not a pilot, but this was my first thought.


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If Shaft flew a plane......


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Says all you need to know about the DOD. 20 years after something is desperately needed it finally gets purchased. In the meantime high cost high value machines have been run into the ground fighting goat herders. Serious DOD reform has been needed for the last 30 years, but instead we got "Transformational" change that have hollowed out various parts of the US's defense capabilities.

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Originally Posted by STRSWilson
Originally Posted by RockyRaab
So, it's an armed slow FAC. With 21st Century goodies replacing the Mk-1 eyeball. I think I know that mission.


Kinda thinking I would rather have an A-10 if it was my ass in the seat.

I vote for A-10 also!


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Originally Posted by hatari
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So, how does one make a $150K aircraft cost millions and millions of $$$?

And it is still highly vulnerable to small arms fire! We've come a long way baby!

Millions of dollars worth of avionics.

30 years of spares and support. You're not buying a plane, you're buying a weapon system that will be judged on mission readiness and capability and that requires support.


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Different mission entirely. The A-10 is all attack, not much for recce. A slow FAC is just the opposite. The FAC mission is to find 'em, mark 'em, and bring in the heavy hitters to kill 'em. The addition of some weapons for "instant response" is something we 'Nam FACs always wished we had (and OV-10 guys did have to a small degree). There are times when even a small hit solves a lot of problems, especially with close support of grunts.


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If Shaft flew a plane......



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From their website, 16,000 pounds gross wt, 8,000 pounds payload, 8 hour endurance. Impressive.

Survivablility? --- A lot of armor, too.

Burns 71 gph at patrolling speed--180 knots at 10,000 feet.

Pretty impressive. If I had one I'd admire it. Couldn't afford to fly it.


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Problem is, with today technology, anything that low and slow (including the A-10) is nothing but a flying grape.


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It wouldn’t require a lot of lead from ground fire. Even if it’s in its tightest turn against a MANPAD, it doesn’t go anywhere; there’s no track crossing rate. Pop a flare and it’s not very far behind you.


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Okay, not to be Debbie Downer but I see two problems. First, it would be entirely useless in any sort of near peer fight and lots of fights against well equipped goat herders because it is so slow as to be dead meat with almost any sort of AA. Second, better hope the enemy is close because if the fight is very far from the airfield, it will be over by the time that thing gets there.

Other than that, it looks like it would be a lot of fun.

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I could take it out with my Remington 7400

Imagine what a cartel player might throw at it?

Ohhhhhhhhhh…..youre going to deploy that on a real battlefield? Mmmkay

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I was in a Pilatus a month ago again, incredible proper I’m surprised they didn’t refinedown to meet the need wanted.
Looking at the choice I wonder if part of the decision was based on eventually making it an unmanned aircraft. With the evolution of drones, could this this be a crossover so to speak.

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https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...s-sky-warden-for-armed-overwatch-effort/

AFSOC commander Lt. Gen. Jim Slife said last year he hopes Armed Overwatch aircraft will be suited to pressure extremist groups in places like Africa, in which the airspace is essentially uncontested.

That means no surface to air threat either and with it's sensors it should be able to stay above small arms fire.


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Originally Posted by Osky
I was in a Pilatus a month ago again, incredible proper I’m surprised they didn’t refinedown to meet the need wanted.
Looking at the choice I wonder if part of the decision was based on eventually making it an unmanned aircraft. With the evolution of drones, could this this be a crossover so to speak.

Osky

I was going to say it seems there are unmanned drones these days that can do this same mission with better capabilities, as much payload, equal or better loitering times, better "eyes in the sky", and did I mention unmanned?

This looks like an answer to a question somebody asked a very long time ago and someone finally decided to try it out just for fun....


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