24hourcampfire.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 1 of 2 1 2
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
N
Campfire Outfitter
OP Offline
Campfire Outfitter
N
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
Found one at $1500.

Not sure it's all original, but intend to hunt it.

As soon as I have pics in hand I'll post.


“Factio democratica delenda est"
BP-B2

Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 11,502
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 11,502
[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]

[Linked Image from hosting.photobucket.com]


Semper Fi
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
N
Campfire Outfitter
OP Offline
Campfire Outfitter
N
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
Thanks Scotty!

Pick it apart fellas!


“Factio democratica delenda est"
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 41,477
B
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
B
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 41,477
Cool find buddy. Was the barrel reblued, it's sticking out like a sore thumb to me? Extractor jeweled too? Hard to tell in the pics. The butt plate shows a lot of wear like it's been in a gunshops rack and picked up a lot for a long time.. Just because you said "pick it apart", I'd also check to see if the rear dovetail was filled and ground. The only reason I'd think someone reblued the barrel. I'm also seeing a slight color difference where a dovetail would have been. We all know the front sight can be sweated off, as that was done on some of these fwt's. I'd hunt the hell out of it for sure.


Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

BSA MAGA
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 11,502
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 11,502
I wondered about the barrel blue as well, but without HD pictures its hard to tell.


Semper Fi
IC-A B3

Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 41,477
B
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
B
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 41,477
Originally Posted by beretzs
I wondered about the barrel blue as well, but without HD pictures its hard to tell.

What would concern me is it's been picked up and looked at a lot.. Was it in a well known gunshop?? This reminds me, I saw my good buddy gunsmith at the gunshow last Saturday. I wished he posted here. I'll bet your buddy in Lyle knows him too. He would be able to tell us. If there were more and better pics, it may be easier to know for sure too.


Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

BSA MAGA
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
N
Campfire Outfitter
OP Offline
Campfire Outfitter
N
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
Well, point is moot.

"Won't ship to the Northeast".

Tried explaining to him it was like shipping anywhere else.

🤷‍♂️


“Factio democratica delenda est"
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 11,502
Campfire Outfitter
Offline
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 11,502
Originally Posted by nyrifleman
Well, point is moot.

"Won't ship to the Northeast".

Tried explaining to him it was like shipping anywhere else.

🤷‍♂️

That's just dumb!


Semper Fi
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 41,477
B
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
B
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 41,477
Originally Posted by nyrifleman
Well, point is moot.

"Won't ship to the Northeast".

Tried explaining to him it was like shipping anywhere else.

🤷‍♂️


WTH??? Geez. It probably would have been a good shooter. The search is on I guess.. I've never seen one in person, so like I said in your other thread, finding one is going to be a challenge. Especially if you are looking for an original. Good luck with it buddy. I really hope you find a good one!! The last pre 64 I had in my had was an all original 1950 30-06 for $700. That was last Saturday at my clubs gunshow. I always look for nice featherweight rifles at great deals though. Even those are getting harder to find, it seems.


Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

BSA MAGA
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 991
I
Campfire Regular
Offline
Campfire Regular
I
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 991
Background moment. The "Gopher Special" was a Winchester Factory variation. A small group of rifles contracted by Gopher Shooter Supply a firm in, as I recall, the Dakotas. Based on the pre '64 Model 70 action in Featherweight configuration. "Gopher" variation as a "sightless barrel" of standard 22". Available only in 30-06, .270 & .243 Winchester chamberings. The stock of Monte Carlo configuration consistent with scope use mandated. Model 70 serialization in late 1959 through 1961.

No distinctive "Gopher"/such nomenclature on these rifles. The specs above constituting 'the Duck'. If it it quacks to such tune, it's presumptively a Gopher Special category Duck! smile That making it more collector valuable. That also making it candidate for faking. The pesky aft dovetail sight slot in the ordinary Featherweight as required "deletion", technically most difficult to deal with as faking. The other dimension, as all collectible Winchesters, "factory original" status. Original barrels themselves the 'core' essential component. Receivers and stocks substituted 'du jour' and that, without observing niceties of above specs, often providing a strong instant tilt to a knowledgeable collector.

The allegation of the same barrel configuration by any other name, to be of equal value. Not so, if objectively in collector context. The claims of rare factor variations or factory special orders... Fill the annals of rifle owner claims. Most wishful thinking as trying to legitimize their 'finds'.

The O/P here, to his credit didn't come here with such claims. Unfortunately from the visuals provided, his rifle SN is about 1955 production date and thus too early for Gopher era. The stock isn't displayed in manner to confirm the MC feature either. Last, the blue on the action, isn't original and barrel as ? pending better visuals; now point moot!

The rifle appears a very nice pre '64 Model 70 in ultimately useful .270 Win chambering. Assuming it shoots well, a very nice package. Leaving valuing its worth in dollars to others!

Best!
John

IC-B B4

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,103
Campfire Tracker
Offline
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 5,103
Originally Posted by iskra
Background moment. The "Gopher Special" was a Winchester Factory variation. A small group of rifles contracted by Gopher Shooter Supply a firm in, as I recall, the Dakotas. Based on the pre '64 Model 70 action in Featherweight configuration. "Gopher" variation as a "sightless barrel" of standard 22". Available only in 30-06, .270 & .243 Winchester chamberings. The stock of Monte Carlo configuration consistent with scope use mandated. Model 70 serialization in late 1959 through 1961.

No distinctive "Gopher"/such nomenclature on these rifles. The specs above constituting 'the Duck'. If it it quacks to such tune, it's presumptively a Gopher Special category Duck! smile That making it more collector valuable. That also making it candidate for faking. The pesky aft dovetail sight slot in the ordinary Featherweight as required "deletion", technically most difficult to deal with as faking. The other dimension, as all collectible Winchesters, "factory original" status. Original barrels themselves the 'core' essential component. Receivers and stocks substituted 'du jour' and that, without observing niceties of above specs, often providing a strong instant tilt to a knowledgeable collector.

The allegation of the same barrel configuration by any other name, to be of equal value. Not so, if objectively in collector context. The claims of rare factor variations or factory special orders... Fill the annals of rifle owner claims. Most wishful thinking as trying to legitimize their 'finds'.

The O/P here, to his credit didn't come here with such claims. Unfortunately from the visuals provided, his rifle SN is about 1955 production date and thus too early for Gopher era. The stock isn't displayed in manner to confirm the MC feature either. Last, the blue on the action, isn't original and barrel as ? pending better visuals; now point moot!

The rifle appears a very nice pre '64 Model 70 in ultimately useful .270 Win chambering. Assuming it shoots well, a very nice package. Leaving valuing its worth in dollars to others!

Best!
John

John has it pegged IMO!

John, Gopher Shooter's Supply was in Faribault, Minnesota when I did business with them but they may have moved to the Dakotas.

Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 29,577
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 29,577
This tells the Gopher Special story...

https://scatteredshots.com/2022/05/30/gopher-shooters-supply-model-70s/

My grandparents lived in the Fairbault area, and I went there many times. I was on the Gopher Shooter's Supply mailing list in the early 70's and lusted over the wares!


“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Some men fish all their lives without knowing it is not really the fish they are after." Thoreau
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,015
G
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
G
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,015
Damn! that's a fake, i also dont like the way the barrel looks directly in front of the action, a damn Sharps rifle is the only thing that's supposed to have a Hartford Collar, may be glare/angle, but i doubt it.


Trump Won!
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,015
G
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
G
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 46,015
All i have is a regular FWT 270, really sweet little rifles.


Trump Won!
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
N
Campfire Outfitter
OP Offline
Campfire Outfitter
N
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
Let me be clear, not looking for a Gopher, but a Type 4 sightless Featherweight.

The hunt is half the fun, no?


“Factio democratica delenda est"
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 29,577
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 29,577
Originally Posted by nyrifleman
Let me be clear, not looking for a Gopher, but a Type 4 sightless Featherweight.

They're the same thing, no? If not, what's the difference?


“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Some men fish all their lives without knowing it is not really the fish they are after." Thoreau
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 6,172
P
Campfire Tracker
Online Content
Campfire Tracker
P
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 6,172
Originally Posted by Brad
Originally Posted by nyrifleman
Let me be clear, not looking for a Gopher, but a Type 4 sightless Featherweight.

They're the same thing, no? If not, what's the difference?

Provenance


Could never get past the extra holes.

Primum non nocere

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 29,577
Campfire Ranger
Offline
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 29,577
Originally Posted by Poconojack
Originally Posted by Brad
Originally Posted by nyrifleman
Let me be clear, not looking for a Gopher, but a Type 4 sightless Featherweight.

They're the same thing, no? If not, what's the difference?

Provenance

It's apparently impossible to know, so that can't be it.


“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
"Some men fish all their lives without knowing it is not really the fish they are after." Thoreau
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
N
Campfire Outfitter
OP Offline
Campfire Outfitter
N
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 7,538
Originally Posted by Poconojack
Originally Posted by Brad
Originally Posted by nyrifleman
Let me be clear, not looking for a Gopher, but a Type 4 sightless Featherweight.

They're the same thing, no? If not, what's the difference?

Provenance

Exactly

The Red Book of Gun Values as “Gopher Specials”, manufactured between serial numbers 440793-465040.

Even within that range, without provenance, the rifle must be assumed as a type 4


“Factio democratica delenda est"
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 41,477
B
Campfire 'Bwana
Offline
Campfire 'Bwana
B
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 41,477
Originally Posted by gunner500
All i have is a regular FWT 270, really sweet little rifles.

They sure are gunner. I had one at one time. The second cleanest 270 fwt I've had in my hands. The other one was NIB, that I could have bought for $350 more than the one I bought. My smith friend told me to buy the one I did because he knew for a fact it was a "shooting sumbiotch". His words not mine. If I was a 270 guy, I'd still have it..


Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.

BSA MAGA
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  RickBin 

Link Copied to Clipboard
CTV-TRX
Who's Online Now
534 members (10gaugemag, 1lessdog, 12344mag, 16penny, 10ring1, 06hunter59, 55 invisible), 2,217 guests, and 1,336 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
RR2/3-22

UDG-IP


 







Fish & Game Departments | Solunar Tables | Mission Statement | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | DMCA
Hunting | Fishing | Camping | Backpacking | Reloading | Campfire Forums | Gear Shop
Copyright © 2000-2022 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
 
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.3.33 Page Time: 0.068s Queries: 15 (0.003s) Memory: 0.9695 MB (Peak: 1.1380 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2022-12-04 05:09:34 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS