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I don’t understand why a FFL holder would object. Especially if the postal clerks say it has to be. What? Object to sending a FFL to a non-FFL? No requirement. Who cares WHAT a postal clerk says. Never take NO as an answer from someone that doesn't have the authority to say yes. And so the rifle doesn’t get shipped. If an USPS clerk refuses a gun shipment here ( extremely rare) they get corrected very quickly when management gets involved. It’s the manager here that’s the worst. The manager has a boss. I personally take satisfaction in proving somebody wrong that is arrogantly flipping their yaps. It’s one thing to be ignorant and open to correction. It’s another thing when they’re all superior and need knocked down a notch or two.
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1. No USPS employee can ask you what is in the box. 2. No USPS employee can tell you what needs to be in the box. 3. All they can ask is the HAZMAT question. 4. Ask the idiot to show you the regs (you can printout and bring your own copy) 5. File a written complaint (registered mail) with the USPS IG and tell the employee you're going to. How close is another post office ? https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_008.htm
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I usually just throw this out there.....always get a nice response.. https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_010.htm
The data and opinions contained in these posts are the results of experiences with my equipment. NO CONCLUSIONS SHOULD BE DRAWN FROM ANY DATA PRESENTED, DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, ATTEMPT TO REPLICATE THESE RESULTSj
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Just as there is no requirement for an FFL to send a copy of their FFL to the person shipping. So I ask, " How does the shipper know the receiver is actually an FFL holder "? Because he said so? Ha ha ha, I don't think so Tim... You want me to ship to you? You send a signed copy (electronic is acceptable) to me. I then go to FFL E-Z CHECK web site punch in your info and verify your license is valid and address to ship to is correct. Otherwise no can do bud... ob So, what do you do in the case of a legitimate C&R-eligible gun that a legitimate C&R holder wishes to buy, and his FFL # bounces in the EZcheck (which it will)? The BATF has never said you should not send a copy of your C&R FFL.I just write on it the serial number and make of the rifle I am selling or buying.I just ask for a copy of their DL to enter into my log.
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Gunbroker demands the FFL to send a copy of the FFL paperwork...
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I don't considerate it a hoop, I considerate it my responsibility to know where the firearm is going. I think it a good idea to 1. know the rules, and 2. know to whom I am shipping a firearm. Otherwise how would / could you possibly know if the buyer was even legally able to possess a firearm? Because he said he was a good guy... C'mon, are you playing the devils advocate?
Years ago before electronic copies of a license were allowed an FFL holder had to send via US Mail a copy of his license to a distributor or business sending him a firearm. Now why do you suppose they had to do that? To comply with federal law perhaps...
You can handle the transaction however you like and I'll do it my way. I have had a FFL for over 40 years... well before the electronic age... and you obviously do not know how to we did it then, nor how to do it right now. There is ZERO requirement, right, nor reason for you to be able to do a background check on a potential gun purchaser. If you consider it your responsibility to know maybe you want to stick to family sales, and should absolutely not sell anything on the internet. No, not a Devil's Advocate at all, as a FFL I have a responsibility to do the background parts I am responsible for, properly. Many years ago I did not need to put much information on the form, but there was a box for "IS KNOWN TO ME." The requests for FFLs to not give out copies of FFLs is fairly new in the scheme.
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Gunbroker demands the FFL to send a copy of the FFL paperwork... Gunbroker does not make the laws, enforce the laws, nor order anyone to do something ATF wants them to not do. Gunbroker is flat wrong in that link, period.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Just as there is no requirement for an FFL to send a copy of their FFL to the person shipping. So I ask, " How does the shipper know the receiver is actually an FFL holder "? Because he said so? Ha ha ha, I don't think so Tim... You want me to ship to you? You send a signed copy (electronic is acceptable) to me. I then go to FFL E-Z CHECK web site punch in your info and verify your license is valid and address to ship to is correct. Otherwise no can do bud... ob So, what do you do in the case of a legitimate C&R-eligible gun that a legitimate C&R holder wishes to buy, and his FFL # bounces in the EZcheck (which it will)? The BATF has never said you should not send a copy of your C&R FFL.I just write on it the serial number and make of the rifle I am selling or buying.I just ask for a copy of their DL to enter into my log. So who has sent me all the emails, publications, and letters saying so? Sure looked official to me.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Just as there is no requirement for an FFL to send a copy of their FFL to the person shipping. So I ask, " How does the shipper know the receiver is actually an FFL holder "? Because he said so? Ha ha ha, I don't think so Tim... You want me to ship to you? You send a signed copy (electronic is acceptable) to me. I then go to FFL E-Z CHECK web site punch in your info and verify your license is valid and address to ship to is correct. Otherwise no can do bud... ob So, what do you do in the case of a legitimate C&R-eligible gun that a legitimate C&R holder wishes to buy, and his FFL # bounces in the EZcheck (which it will)? The BATF has never said you should not send a copy of your C&R FFL.I just write on it the serial number and make of the rifle I am selling or buying.I just ask for a copy of their DL to enter into my log. So who has sent me all the emails, publications, and letters saying so? Sure looked official to me. Show us a copy of that.
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Just as there is no requirement for an FFL to send a copy of their FFL to the person shipping. So I ask, " How does the shipper know the receiver is actually an FFL holder "? Because he said so? Ha ha ha, I don't think so Tim... You want me to ship to you? You send a signed copy (electronic is acceptable) to me. I then go to FFL E-Z CHECK web site punch in your info and verify your license is valid and address to ship to is correct. Otherwise no can do bud... ob So, what do you do in the case of a legitimate C&R-eligible gun that a legitimate C&R holder wishes to buy, and his FFL # bounces in the EZcheck (which it will)? The BATF has never said you should not send a copy of your C&R FFL.I just write on it the serial number and make of the rifle I am selling or buying.I just ask for a copy of their DL to enter into my log. So who has sent me all the emails, publications, and letters saying so? Sure looked official to me. Show us a copy of that. Next time I get one I will post the info.
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Gee, I've been gone 4 days on a trip, somewhere it wasn't convenient in several ways to post on the Campfire.
Come back and find this thread, and per usual several members who don't have FFLS, and haven't done much (if any) real research, tend to claim to be experts on the subject.
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