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What would you rather hunt DG with if money was not an issue and why?
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A double hands down,a double saved my bacon about a month ago.Buffalo came from behind cover at 15 yards, ph and I both shot to little affect, the left barrel of the double was triggered and spined the bull at 8 yards.The caliber was .450 NE 3 1/4" with 480 gr. bonded Hornadys. Sometime you need the quick second shot,glad I had what I had.
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Ele - double - you get close. Really close.
Everything else - bolt - for when that Sable-of-a-lifetime steps out of the bush beyond 100 yards and your plans change on a dime.
It's you and the bullet, and all the rest is secondary.
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Puddle, good point. An elephant is a very close range, heavy caliber quarry. A scoped bolt rifle is the way to go for everything else. You never know what opportunities might present themselves.
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It could be the my doubles accuracy issues and other brands are more accurate.I don't trust my doubles but trust my bolt rifles.
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if money is not the problem always a double
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I've only hunted buffalo so take this for what it's worth. I think a double is a better choice for elephant where you need quick close range shots. With a double the second shot is much faster because you don't have to work a bolt. For other dangerous game, I think a bolt is generally better: they're usually more accurate and are easy to scope which gives you more effective range.
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I am bolt action trash, plain and simple.
I have shot many thousands of rounds through bolt actions. For me to get as proficient with a double it would take a tremendous amount of range time. I shot over 1000 rounds of ammo through my 300 H&H, 375 H&H and 404 Jeffery bolt actions in preparation for my two trips to Africa.
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For me, a bolt rifle is preferred for everything except elephant. These days, I’ve settled on a model 70 in .416 Hoffman as my go to dangerous game rifle. I haven’t shot an elephant in quite a long time, but my last bull was taken with a Rigby box lock 470 that I sold a few years later.
The only way I expect to acquire another double is when I book one more elephant hunt, which I’m actively considering. It’ll likely be another 470 when I do.
For buffalo, I think a scoped bolt gun is a better option in most situations.
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Puddle, good point. An elephant is a very close range, heavy caliber quarry. A scoped bolt rifle is the way to go for everything else. You never know what opportunities might present themselves. This.
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i grew up as a bowhunter by age 7-8 so i learned how to get very close to animals that most people will never be able to do, that`s why i would feel fine with a double rifle. when i was a kid my hand was about 3 inches or less from a moving elephant`s foot and i never told anyone tell i was adult because my dad would have beat my butt for that.
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i grew up as a bowhunter by age 7-8 so i learned how to get very close to animals that most people will never be able to do, that`s why i would feel fine with a double rifle. when i was a kid my hand was about 3 inches or less from a moving elephant`s foot and i never told anyone tell i was adult because my dad would have beat my butt for that. When I was a kid and went to the zoo I fed an elephant peanuts out of my hand-lol.
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Reality check !
How many of these experts have actually killed the big 5 with any rifle ?
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Reality check !
How many of these experts have actually killed the big 5 with any rifle ? none for me but you give me the money and i would show how its done , i am no expert with the big 5 in Africa but i have done well with a bow and arrow on my own. so using a rifle for a blue color worker like myself is no big deal or any other blue collar workers who have hunted all their lives . we would probably always do better than some rich dude brag`n about killing the big 5 with a expensive guide in Africa. that`s the true reality check dude !
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Elephant and hippo I use a double
Buffalo I’ve used both
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I have hunted with a bunch of PHs, and know several more very well. Have also sat around during evenings drinking beer with up to half-a-dozen very experienced guys, and heard them argue.
But the majority have stated that they much prefer to see a scoped bolt-action come out of the gun case when a new-to-them buffalo hunter shows up, This is because too many have seen bullets misplaced on buffalo due to two factors:
1) Iron sights, which often don't provide an adequate aiming point on buffalo in thick, shadowy cover.
2) A double chambered for a cartridge the hunter can't handle, due to recoil and/or heavy trigger pulls.
And buffalo hunters probably out-number elephant hunters 100-1 in present-day Africa.
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Reality check !
How many of these experts have actually killed the big 5 with any rifle ? Probably more than you.
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No doubt, but I don't claim to have the answer.
Do you ?
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