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Originally Posted by MAC
CA has a big blue wet thing to the west called the Pacific Ocean. They need to build a dozen or so big desalination plants along the coast of CA to supply water to the major cities. Problem solved.


Ah, yes but.......... the enormous energy to run desalination plants, where does that energy come from? California has electrical issues as it is. They hate fossil fuels.


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It is perfect "lib think" to ban something and then demand something else that requires what you just banned.


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It is perfect "lib think" to ban something and then demand something else that requires what you just banned.
It should be written into their contract that they require any pump used to transfer water be powered by a renewable power source...

And don't look to the Great Lakes to bail their a$$ out. There's already been numerous studies that show that a major water withdrawal will cause irreparable damage to the watershed. Kali can go fΕ«ck themselves.

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Originally Posted by IA_fog
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The root of the water problem is California's 40 million population living in a desert. Establish reverse migration to Mexico until the population is down to a Sustainable 5 million or so.
Not just California but Las Vegas area. You cant build a green yard in a desert or golf course
All water is after all publicly owned. There ought to be laws strictly forbidding the watering of lawn grass and golf courses and for that matter tightly regulating car washing. When I was a kid we lived in Tremonton Utah and there was a tremendous use of city water on yard grass. Everyone had green yards but us, my father wasn't into watering something you would have to cut down. I had a cousin in Borger Texas (about 20 inches rain per year) that had an expensive lawn watering system and then he paid someone to cut it. All that yard water all over the panhandle was being pulled from Lake Meredith which was suffering from low levels and high and dry boat launches.


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So, you have millions of gallons of water being pushed up over 8000'. How much weight is in the pipeline at any given time? So, the power goes out and the pumps quit. Suddenly you have millions of gallons of water, 8000' in the air, and it wants to run downhill. It's going to take some tremendous check valves in the line to keep all that water from backflowing to New Orleans. It would make Katrina look like a summer breeze.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
So, you have millions of gallons of water being pushed up over 8000'. How much weight is in the pipeline at any given time? So, the power goes out and the pumps quit. Suddenly you have millions of gallons of water, 8000' in the air, and it wants to run downhill. It's going to take some tremendous check valves in the line to keep all that water from backflowing to New Orleans. It would make Katrina look like a summer breeze.
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Remember back awhile when there was a discussion about pumped storrage? They could used the head pressure of the water going downhill on the west side to turn generators to supply power to the pumps on the east side pushing water up hill.

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Originally Posted by AJ300MAG
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
So, you have millions of gallons of water being pushed up over 8000'. How much weight is in the pipeline at any given time? So, the power goes out and the pumps quit. Suddenly you have millions of gallons of water, 8000' in the air, and it wants to run downhill. It's going to take some tremendous check valves in the line to keep all that water from backflowing to New Orleans. It would make Katrina look like a summer breeze.
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Remember back awhile when there was a discussion about pumped storrage? They could used the head pressure of the water going downhill on the west side to turn generators to supply power to the pumps on the east side pushing water up hill.
It could possibly supply some of the power but not nearly all of it. That would be perpetual motion.


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All this Hate for Commyfornia

What about Texas
They could use the water right now if there was a Pipeline.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
So, you have millions of gallons of water being pushed up over 8000'. How much weight is in the pipeline at any given time? So, the power goes out and the pumps quit. Suddenly you have millions of gallons of water, 8000' in the air, and it wants to run downhill. It's going to take some tremendous check valves in the line to keep all that water from backflowing to New Orleans. It would make Katrina look like a summer breeze.

First of all the project will never happen. Second if it did there would be multiple pumping stations, multiple check valves etc. The Trans Alaska pipeline highest point is nearly 5000 feet with no issues.

There is no pipe in the world large enough to even a have a minimal impact on flooding New Orleans, no matter where it is flowing from.

Opening Morganza spillway barely has an impact and has only been used a few times.





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Another issue would be dealing with amount of silt in the water. There is enough silt in the Mississippi water to fill in the Atchafalaya basin. I would imagine the river sand etc would be very problematic for pumps, valves, erosion in pipe, etc.

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Yeah, it could be done but the power required over the route would probably require several nuke plants. Far better to build those nuke plants in CA and use them to run desalination plants than to bring water over the continental divide.

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A major problem with desalination is that there's the waste brine water to deal with. It's super salty and can't be dumped just anywhere. If it's dumped back in the ocean, there'll be fish kills all around the discharge.


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Reducing the flow of 1/3 the water from going down the Mississippi River? That would destroy the delta here.

By the way, the Miss River is not the causes flooding down this way. Sure the river gets high and spillways get opened in the spring. But, the river doesn't over top levees and cause flooding. The flooding comes from storm surge via the gulf of Mexico. But heavy rains can cause flooding anywhere.


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Originally Posted by funshooter
All this Hate for Commyfornia

What about Texas
They could use the water right now if there was a Pipeline.
Texas and part of New Mexico would be easier. They are east of the divide. The panhandle of Texas and Oklahoma are always in trouble.


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The TX panhandle and OK are part of the big problem with overpumping the Ogallala aquifer. They're pumping more water than can be naturally replaced. We have the same problem in southern Idaho with the Snake River aquifer.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
A major problem with desalination is that there's the waste brine water to deal with. It's super salty and can't be dumped just anywhere. If it's dumped back in the ocean, there'll be fish kills all around the discharge.

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Originally Posted by duke61
Pipe along interstate 5 from Oregon would be the shortest route, it would provide jobs and water, the cost was estimated few years back at $30 bil.
That would be great for the salmon.


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
A major problem with desalination is that there's the waste brine water to deal with. It's super salty and can't be dumped just anywhere. If it's dumped back in the ocean, there'll be fish kills all around the discharge.

Sell it to the midwestern road and highway departments for snow and ice. They can put it on our roads instead of rocksalt that has to be mined. Don't know if it's still operating but there used to be a large underground mine near Hutchinson, KS.


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If lake mead gets full they can generate electricity to power the pumps.

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