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Saw this on another forum. Any truth to it? Thanks
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The IMR label goes on Enduron powders. They are a relatively new line that is seeing good success, so discontinuing them doesn't seem to make sense. Hodgdon has quite a few brands, so they could be doing some kind of rebranding.
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I haven't heard anything about this through the gun-writer grapevine, or from Hodgon--and I have been in close contact with Hodgdon closely for many years.
Also just checked the IMR website, and they list more than one Enduron for sale.
One thing Hodgdon's website warns about is several "fake" Hodgdon sites have appeared recently. Dunno whether that has anything to do with this. (The IMR site I checked might also be fake. It lists 8-pounders of IMR4451 as available, but Hodgdon's load-data site shows it as unavailable.)
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Heard the same about trail boss but no real facts to back that up either
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Heard the same about trail boss but no real facts to back that up either Probably just something made up by the kind of people who love to try and create things for people to worry about.
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I just received this from a supplier....
Hodgdon announced a 9/1/22 increase on select powders (Not all powders). The increase is substantial, but we are working on finalizing that information and getting it to you as quickly as possible. In addition, the following powders have been discontinued by Manufacturer moving forward IMR4166 / IMR4451 / IMR4955 / IMR7977 / IMR8133. These are discontinued in both 1# cans and 8# jugs.
The data and opinions contained in these posts are the results of experiences with my equipment. NO CONCLUSIONS SHOULD BE DRAWN FROM ANY DATA PRESENTED, DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, ATTEMPT TO REPLICATE THESE RESULTSj
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Well isn’t that a kick in the nuts.
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Well isn’t that a kick in the nuts. Indeed
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Yep.
I wonder if an "agreement" between Hodgdon and ADI has been made. I was told by one of the higher-ups at Hodgdon (since retired) when the Endurons were introduced it was partly due to difficulties involved in getting powder shipped from Australia to the U.S. It made more sense at the time to have similar powders made in Canada, which wouldn't involve the same sort of transportation hassles.
I have enough Enduron powder for all the loads developed with them over the past few years, but some people don't. It might not be the best P.R. move for Hodgdon, though there could be other factors involved.
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Well this really pi$$es me off.. 7977 for my 280ai and 8133 for the 264wm... I have a good supply of both but crap!!!
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Voids don't remain that way for long. Making lemonade from lemons, I am assuming that they are consolidating their Hodgdon/IMR line to reduce inventory and eliminate overlap. What will we see going forward?
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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Voids don't remain that way for long. Making lemonade from lemons, I am assuming that they are consolidating their Hodgdon/IMR line to reduce inventory and eliminate overlap. What will we see going forward? Is that true when one company darn near has a brand monopoly?
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Perhaps, but they aren't doing this to put themselves out of business.
I believe that they are streamlining, looking at which Accurate/IMR/Hodgdon powders overlap. If they sell off one of their companies, they can always get one of their manufacturers to start making a discontinued powder again.
Safe Shooting! Steve Redgwell www.303british.comGet your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain Member - Professional Outdoor Media Association of Canada
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Powder companies might get a kick out of "orphaning" powders, but they still have a ways to go to catch up to Remington "orphaning" cartridges.
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I started to notice that some powders were much easier to find in Canada than others and this is much worse these days with the covid shortages. Hodgdon for the last 10yrs has been more widely available here than all the other suppliers. Seeing this, I started to streamline to H powders exclusively. I have about 14lbs of WW760 and and few lbs each of IMR 4198, 3031 and 4831. Everything else is H. It's brutal trying to find powder and primers here now. I see some powders being priced at $120/lb. I just bought an open 8pounder (7.53lbs) of H335 for $600 plus 1/2 the shipping and that was a good deal. Varget and H4350 are the hardest to find. Last winter I was sorting out my powder storage and found 8lbs of H4350 I had forgot I bought.
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I have 3-4lbs of 7977 only reason I got it Hodgdon said it’s similar to H1000 I also have 8133 which again hodgdon says it’s similar to retumbo. Of course use appropriate data for those 2 powders.
Then STFU. The rest of your statement is superflous bullshit with no real bearing on this discussion other than to massage your own ego. Suckin' on my titties like you wanted me.
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