Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Ask The Gunwriters Hodgdon is discontinuing the IMR Enduron line of powders ?

Norma 203-B is the same powder--or was not long ago when I tested RL-15 and 203-B, in the same rifles with the same loads. Which is why I stocked up on 203-B when RL-15 got hard to find. Unfortunately, it appears Norma powders are very difficult to find right now too.

I suspect one of the problems with powder available is the many varieties now available. It's increasingly difficult to produce enough of each to satisfy every handloader--one among several reasons it used to be a lot easier to buy powder.

Like I mentioned earlier, I'll be OK as long as the 4895 and 4350 spigots stay turned on. They may not be the very best for everything I do, but one or the other is at least really good for most of the loading I've done for a number of years now.

Precisely why I bought an 8 #'er of 4320 last year. I had not used it in many years. It will do the job just fine in the majority of what I shoot.

I hope so ‘cause I bought some after you told me that😜 Thanks again, BTW.

RL15 has worked very well for me in my .308s with 165s.

RL 15 is a great powder. Good for everything from 223 rem to 375H&H. Damn versatile powder. If they only sold that and H4350, I could get buy for all of my rifles. Also, if they discontinued those 2 powders, that would be tragic!!!

It’s a damn shame. 4166 is a fantastic 5.56 powder for heavy bullets. It’s a bit faster than Varget and has been very good for high velocity mixed with great accuracy.

I have 7lbs of 4166, never loaded any of it though.

Kent

Ever make it out to Oklahoma?

"We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo

I'll bet the powder/primer/bullet companies are cranking out as much stuff as they ever did. Aside from panic buying of loaded ammo by non-handloaders, and the gov't acting the hog, the buying of components has taken a shift in recent years (as expressed by others on this thread) from buying ones and twos of things to buying large quantities. That may be partially due to the shift from buying at Mom&Pop LGS's (steadily disappearing) to buying on-line where hazmat fees encourage larger quantities be bought/shipped to make economic sense. It doesn't take long for an on-line retailer's shelf of primers to be cleaned out when multiple bricks are purchased by a bunch of guys who simply used to scoot down to the corner gunshop and snag a couple sleeves at a time as needed. I really do wonder how many bricks of primers and jugs of powder will be found to have gotten moldy from sitting in unfavorable environments over the upcoming decades, because Uncle Joe simply had to buy large amounts when a mere handful would've seen to his needs for a long time.

As for Enduron powders going away? Meh, I never bought a single grain of them. If the old standbys disappear then I'll gnash my teeth and hurl invectives at the moon. I'm still cursing Hodgdon for discontinuing 4759 8 or 10 years ago.

Any of you wanting to sell your 4451, let me know.

No sorry.

Kent

The 4166 was suppose to replace 4320, now they are both gone.

Kent

Yep. I was trying to find 4166 in recent months. My 308 likes it. I really liked the Enduron series. I wish someone would pick them up.

Hogdon didn't have a choice, they couldn't get the Enduron powders. They weren't shipping them to Hogdon

Me, too. Out of a half dozen powders that I experimented with, my 7-08 liked 4166 the most.

I don't understand this. The Enduron powders were IMR series, and Hodgdon owns the IMR Powder Company.

From Hodgdon's website:

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I could load everything I shoot with 760 and 748 .I really like Ramshot Powders.Truth is I only bought a 1 pounder of 4451 and then was able to get H4350.I will never have to buy another pound of powder in my lifetime.Primers I have enough for quite a while but will probably need more several years from now.Hopefully after the brain dead idiot is of of the Whitehouse.

Good post.

Bummer.

I've got a couple jugs of two of them and used close to 16lbs. of 4451, which worked as well and maybe a little better than H4350.

The Endurons getting taken out of the Hodgdon manual is going to leave a lot of holes, not to mention how much promotion and advertising down the drain.

I bought two 1 pound jugs of different Endurons recently. I have a hunch my rifles will love them.