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Well, since I'm still waiting on back surgery, I've had plenty of time to burn into my ammo stash, I'm happy to report my BCA 16" upper has 765 rounds through it. I do keep it clean, and well lubed. 55gr Fmj's are still shooting 2 to 3 inch groups, and 60gr V Max's are still well under sub moa.
My 7.5" pistol is rocking on at 578 rounds by current count, and busting clay pigeons at 50 yards, and doing real well at 100 yards, using iron sights.
Some days my eye just isn't into it at 100, but I'd definitely hit a silo.
For the cheap money I spent, I'm more than happy reverse lead mining.
No issues whatsoever yet.
Oh, and my 20", BCA stainless, fluted, 223 wylde, 1:8 twist heavy barrel, is laying waste to praire dogs with extreme prejudice.
You can laugh, bag, brag, stick things up your azz, or whatever, but I'm sure enjoying what I bought.
Model 1 sales, 24", stainless, fluted bull barrel i bought 20 years ago, ( made by E.R Shaw) is still eating ragged holes, and splattering rats at as far as I care to shoot.
Bushmaster V Match, 1:9 twist, chrome lined, (bought in 98) is chugging right along too.
Life is great, until I go down after the knife, rods, and screws set me back for a bit.

No need for the attacks.

Never a slow day here for somebody thinking they need to attack someone else out of the clear blue. If you need to attack somebody, pick a Democrat. Geebus.

PS- for fair and equal, post a report on the BCA after 10k rds.

They will never see that much use.
1, I don't have enough ammo to run that much through each.
And
2, I won't be going shooting this much in the future, as I'll be fixed, back to work, and doing other things.
No attack, just giving back what was given.

What's an anderson?

Who's attacking who? You have one guy calling another guy out and the other defending himself. You have some fuggers thinking they know everything here, until they get showed up. Happens all the time. What is funny is you have guys hanging off the nutsacks of others, just because they think its the cool thing to do. Be men for fu cks sakes.. Unless you like sucking cock.. Oh, ask blue if his pistol skills have improved any..



Ha ha..

Have you read the thread?

Man 10 shots on target at 40 yards from a concealed draw with your concealed carry pistol under 5 seconds? That’s good shooting…🙄

One guy calling another guy out?

It's got nothing to do with "guy", guy.

My focus is obviously different than some. I'm not all that concerned about my AR's punching a quarter inch hole in a piece of paper at 100 yards. I want my AR's to go bang EVERY FUGKING TIME I squeeze the trigger. That quarter inch hole is secondary to me. So is saving $200 on something that won't go bang when I need it to most. YMMV.

Buy quality hardware and feed them quality ammo. THAT SOLVES 99% OF MY PROBLEMS. Again, YMMV

And strangely enough, I drink Folger's. Not Starbucks.

Hey Wyatt Earp charge your phone it’s at 19%..

Tell that to the Army they are getting brand new M4 from FN and most can barely hold 5-6 moa at 100yds with green tip ammo..

That totally sucks!

And that’s with optics not irons.. the accuracy does improve if the shoot mk262 load in them but that’s not very often.

Contract goes to the lowest bidder, and that meant Colt or FN while I was in.

Can anyone specifically explain or illustrate the differences in parts between high end rifles and let’s say a BCA? Barrels are one thing. But barrels don’t contribute to reliability, do they?
BCA’s are cheap. Let’s see someone wear one out.

The TDP or technical data package is based on 50 years of building a fighting gun. It’s the bare minimum of what the govt requires and what most consider a good starting point.

Things like 7075 aluminum receivers with a hard coat anodizing on it. 4150 barrel steel and chrome lining. Specific sized gas ports for specific ammo. Carpenter 158 steel with a good heat treat, shot peened, HPT tested and then MPI’d bolts. Specific steel on the gas key and specific bolts to hold it on the carrier. Specific 7075 aluminum RE’s threaded a certain way and castle nuts staked into an end plate that is not too hard nor too soft.

These are just a sampling of what is the makings of a decent AR. But companies cut corners and use 6061 rather than 7075, 4140 vs 4150 barrel steel and nitride vs chrome lining. Gas ports opened up to run cheap lower pressured ammo. Cheap extractors and spring kits, different steels for the bolts and nitride over chrome on the inside of the carrier. Softer screws holding the non chrome lined key. Commercial RE’s loctited instead of staked.

I could go on but surely you get the point. Yes there are better barrels and better triggers, Better furniture and better receivers. But the TDP is the place to start if you want a quality gun. If you want to take chances go ahead but understand why the cheap stuff is cheap.

Or not, I really don’t care.

I'm gettin there.

Thanks for writing. That is good info.

+1

You may be right but what are your sources? FN typically makes first rate products. Green tip ammo sucks for precision shooting but if a typical FN manufactured M4 is struggling to hold a 6” pattern at 100 yards something went way sideways. FN along with H&K are gold standards for military grade weapons.

I agree as far as war fighting rifles go. The blueprint/specs to making a functional AR even if out of lower quality materials is well established at this point being one of the most mass produced and tested firearms in world history. For a range or even home defense gun that is kept cleaned and oiled, that is not going through mag dumps or being carried all day in extreme desert or jungle environments, and beat to hell by 18 year olds in a war zone most any will be reliable in my experience. It won’t be as nice or as good but I’d expect it to go bang when pulling the trigger.

The difference between military grade and better Vs a cheapie is stacking the deck in your favor when the rifle has been subjected to heavy use and extreme conditions. Not a semi auto kept cleaned and going from safe to range or to engage a bad guy climbing through a window.