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Big bang is objective and provable? Yes, it's the best model that we have. Science is open to falsibility, religion takes advantage of non-falsibility. The Big Bang theory is based on the observable expansion of the Universe for which no one but the possible exception of God was around to witness. One thing is for certain, science has shown that "God's creation" is much older and grander than our ancestors ever imagined. Can we agree on this?
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
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'God's Creation' is an assumption. First it needs to be shown that there is a God.
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'God's Creation' is an assumption. First it needs to be shown that there is a God. It's a leap of faith. 
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
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Big bang is BS. What went bang? Where did the matter come from to begin with? Atheists have faith that there is no God. I have faith there is a God. If they are right, I guess I missed out on some things. If I’m right, they spend eternity in hell. How much of a gambler are you?
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Gambler?????
Gambling would assume one has a choice in the matter.
Can you choose to believe there is no wrong in purposely harming a child?
Can you choose to believe dogs or horses are more intelligent than humans?
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Y'all think America still gonna exist in its current configuration come 23 years? That's a big assumption.
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Gambler?????
Gambling would assume one has a choice in the matter.
Can you choose to believe there is no wrong in purposely harming a child?
Can you choose to believe dogs or horses are more intelligent than humans? Sure you can. In the middle east, kids are harmed every day based on the Arab religion. My dog is pretty smart too. You have a freewill choice to make, believe God or believe man.
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Gambler?????
Gambling would assume one has a choice in the matter.
Can you choose to believe there is no wrong in purposely harming a child?
Can you choose to believe dogs or horses are more intelligent than humans? Sure you can. In the middle east, kids are harmed every day based on the Arab religion. My dog is pretty smart too. You have a freewill choice to make, believe God or believe man. You are being deliberately obtuse. I asked if YOU could choose to believe it is okay to harm a child. I asked if YOU could choose to believe your dog is more intelligent than you.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Ok, but what do either of those have to do with faith in God?
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Sure I could PRETEND and PROFESS a belief I do not hold.
But I can no more choose to believe God as portrayed in modern Christianity is real than you can choose to believe Zeus and Thor are real as portrayed in ancient Greek and Roman mythology. Because YOU know they are not.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Sure I could PRETEND and PROFESS a belief I do not hold.
But I can no more choose to believe God as portrayed in modern Christianity is real than you can choose to believe Zeus and Thor are real as portrayed in ancient Greek and Roman mythology. Because YOU know they are not. Well that is your choice to make. And that goes back to my original post. You get to make a choice - you don’t get to choose the consequences of that choice.
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'God's Creation' is an assumption. First it needs to be shown that there is a God. It's a leap of faith. To many People don’t Understand.. It’s a 747 to the Promise Land .. Your Riding with the King . He’s got your Ticket all you got to do is Believe.. Say It.. Your Riding with the King .. You Heathen Son of a Bail of Sin..
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Sure I could PRETEND and PROFESS a belief I do not hold.
But I can no more choose to believe God as portrayed in modern Christianity is real than you can choose to believe Zeus and Thor are real as portrayed in ancient Greek and Roman mythology. Because YOU know they are not. Well that is your choice to make. And that goes back to my original post. You get to make a choice - you don’t get to choose the consequences of that choice. Do you profess that a choice to pretend to hold a belief, which does not exist is a proper choice? Does your God not know the truth which lies in your heart?
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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Big bang is BS. What went bang? Where did the matter come from to begin with? Atheists have faith that there is no God. I have faith there is a God. If they are right, I guess I missed out on some things. If I’m right, they spend eternity in hell. How much of a gambler are you? Evidence and not making assumptions is the key. There is evidence of an expanding universe. If we don't know something, why assume God did it? That's what the ancients did, how does the wind blow: the spirits of the air. To them, the world was populated with gods and spirits, evil and benevolent.....
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The correct answer to what happened before and at the instant of the big bang is we don't know. To assert that you know the truth without any evidence is delusion.
Aetheists simply do not accept that a god did it because there is no proof. It's not the same as saying there is no god. Antitheists believe there is no god.
The gambling notion is contrived by the theists.
Theists killing those of opposing views is a supreme tragedy.
Cathlics in particular appear to have a solid track record for pedophilia. The pope is busy hiding the guilty priests.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Religion is a business, faith is following God's teaching is what Christianity is all about,
"Whensoever the General Government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." --Thomas Jefferson
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'God's Creation' is an assumption. First it needs to be shown that there is a God. It's a leap of faith. To many People don’t Understand.. It’s a 747 to the Promise Land .. Your Riding with the King . He’s got your Ticket all you got to do is Believe.. Say It.. Your Riding with the King .. You Heathen Son of a Bail of Sin.. More to it than believe, old boy.
The way life should be.
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'God's Creation' is an assumption. First it needs to be shown that there is a God. The best way to prove there is a god, is through “his” creation. Science is possibly the best way to prove that it would be impossible to happen naturally without some sort of outside interference. I would have to believe that even the brightest of human minds aren’t even close to the capability that would be needed to process and understand these things. It’s like a caveman trying to comprehend and come to a determination of how a super computer works. This is why faith is our only option to believe at this point in human evolution. Either you have it or don’t. If you’re hung up on the arrogance that if “you” can’t understand or have it explained to you on a scientific l level that it can’t be true, then you won’t be able to have “faith”. If you can sit on the top of a mountain or the edge of the ocean and watch the sun set or rise and understand there’s something more at work, then you will be able to.
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In the end, every knee shall bow, prepare yourselves , or not. What has been bought and paid for by the One, for all ,is a hard thing to grasp for minds so easily influenced by the drivel that is launched , daily. I do not like seeing the tangent so many of my young nieces, nephews and their friends are on!
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'God's Creation' is an assumption. First it needs to be shown that there is a God. It's a leap of faith. To many People don’t Understand.. It’s a 747 to the Promise Land .. Your Riding with the King . He’s got your Ticket all you got to do is Believe.. Say It.. Your Riding with the King .. You Heathen Son of a Bail of Sin.. More to it than believe, old boy. Don’t over think the 7 Day Thing.. Cuz that’s not the Point of His Of Mission of Mercy for those who Believe.. You Ride’n or Not ..
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