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Here's the thing - science is demonstably true, no faith needed. Ignorance or arrogance may well prevent you from admitting that. We never prayed the internet into existence.

Believing anything that has no proof or basis in reality seems more than a bit silly.

Documentation of seeing god 2000 years ago is about as reliable as that for seeing Spiderman in the 20th century, although we do have photos and videos of the latter.

Metaphysical and supernatural are just easy-out excuses used by the impatient, ignorant people. How much of that magic stuff has evaporated since we've learned more throughout the ages?

Fair enough. I accept that, and have no problem with it. However, if someone makes a statement, I certainly expect them to be able to give a sense of what they’re saying so that I can understand where they’re coming from. Intern, if I make a statement, I expect the same of myself to be able to give us a sense of what I believe.

if I’m not misunderstanding, you very much believe that your works somehow enhance what God has done in your life to save you as though you’re helping him accomplish what it is that he has done. I definitely without doubt used to think that way myself. However, the reality of my own capability overwhelms me and that View left me empty. if indeed, you are contributing to your salvation, it should be very easy to enumerate those things that you are in deed contributing

That is the difference between atheist and theist...you keep pounding the same old same thing...you need proof beyond a shadow of a doubt....WE GET THAT!....now quit hounding the believers of God the Bible...

Raspy,

Regarding MauserMan: he is not interested in learning, knowledge or debate. He is simply a troll.

He has been exposed many times and it seems he is “incapable.”

“The fools says in his heart, ‘There is no God.”

We know that is not true and I am pretty sure he knows it also.

Anyway, he is here because he wants to be and I expect he does not know why….. you can make a pretty good guess.

Answer him if you like, ignore him if want.

A benign nuisance.

I am afraid you guys are right, There will be lot of Muslims and other religion. It's going to be a far diverse country and i am afraid more separated.

Raspy,

Regarding MauserMan: he is not interested in learning, knowledge or debate. He is simply a troll.

He has been exposed many times and it seems he is “incapable.”

“The fools says in his heart, ‘There is no God.”

We know that is not true and I am pretty sure he knows it also.

Anyway, he is here because he wants to be and I expect he does not know why….. you can make a pretty good guess.

Answer him if you like, ignore him if want.

A benign nuisance.

Faith in The Science runs deep.

It is not rational nor logical that you would make …..what you seem to consider a statement of fact or truth….. that God does not communicate directly and openly. You may not see or hear God, but it is just plain ignorant to state that others do not.

You are simply expressing you own opinion which apparently reflects your own experience.

You are are also wrong about “we would all be theists” given an “objective experience of God.”


There were many that walked and talked with Jesus….. witnessed His miracles…. yet turned their backs.


God did “appear objectively and openly….” He let’s His presence be known in at least three ways…..the majesty of Creation…. The Word of God in the Bible and through the conviction and witness of the Holy Spirit.


Seek…find…….don’t seek, don’t find.

That is the difference between atheist and theist...you keep pounding the same old same thing...you need proof beyond a shadow of a doubt....WE GET THAT!....now quit hounding the believers of God the Bible...

Really good reason to keep religion out of government functions, especially where a person in authority is the one one injecting their beliefs and prayers on folks that aren't in position to resist. Might have a Satanist leading a school prayer or a boy scout meeting. I was out west recently and saw a road sign declaring that the Satanists of Idaho had adopted that section of highway. There are all kinds of religions out there and they would be glad to be in a position to preach to a captive audience.

Religions need to have no political power other than their adherents votes. Otherwise they could easily go back to killing people like they do in other countries even now.

Satanist! Back in the days they hide in basements and do their businesses in secret now they are so open and proud, the table have truly take a new turn.

I've admitted to God I have been a bad person, apologized, repented and now trying to love God and treat others as I would expect to be treated. I have deduced that the big 10 are still in force and while some of the more arcane regulations back in Deuteronomy and Leviticus may have only pertained to Israel during their sojourn there are some very important to the social harmony and good health. Such as the condemnation of sexual deviancy and the consumption of things such as reptiles and hogs. So I'm trying to live out my life in kindness as far as reasonably possible and avoiding the nasty foods prohibited and reemphasized in even Isaiah 66. It does seem particularly offensive to be consuming swine and rodents.

As to the swine and shellfish and reptiles (especially alligators) their diets and implications in human disease transmission illustrate the Mosaic laws and just like the big 10 are for the benefit of mankind not God.

I have both wild hogs and alligators on my property and they will eat things a buzzard won't eat. I understand hogs are raised in captivity and fed a restricted diet but they are swine and a lot of people (my wife included) are allergic to them and they play a big part in transforming viruses into human pathogens.

You can dismiss and ignore but I'm still here, unlike your God apparently

When we communicate with each other, our communication is there for anyone present to see, hear or read.

Someone telling you that they communicate with God is not objective.

They may be sincere but mistake subconscious thoughts for communications from God (I know people in this category), they may have a brain condition, be delusional, etc, etc.

Subjective experience is not evidence for the existence of God.

I've been gone for a week and lost track of this thread. I see that James has been quoted a few times in discussing faith vs works. It's often overlooked that James was written to saved Jews. It wasn't written to tell how to get saved. It was written to tell what do AFTER being saved. The statement that faith without works is dead is telling those already saved that they need to do works for the Lord rather than just sitting on their butts doing nothing.

I've been gone for a week and lost track of this thread. I see that James has been quoted a few times in discussing faith vs works. It's often overlooked that James was written to saved Jews. It wasn't written to tell how to get saved.

James was writing to saved Jews. They'd already been saved and he wasn't talking about how to get saved. …even if you do NO works, you're still saved...